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1858 Flying Eagle (On Foreign Planchet?)

 
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 Posted 09/10/2018  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kyleg02247 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol
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 Posted 09/10/2018  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Quite true Dave, but most over-struck coins only show the original host details in the field levels of the new strike. Not deep within a newly struck coin (incuse) device, the pressure would have moved the coin material to fill out those details...

I would disagree with that and say it is pretty much exactly the opposite because the field areas of the second or overstike are the highest points of the die and tend to flatten and wipe out details from the original strike in those areas, Details from the first strike tend to show up best in the raised detail areas of the second strike because they don't get wiped out until the incuse areas of the dies completely fill and the original details get pressed against the die surface.
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 Posted 09/10/2018  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps, another coin was placed atop this cent and then hammered to leave an impression? If so, the copper-nickel cent would not show as strong an impression as other metals.
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 Posted 09/10/2018  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kyleg02247 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you guys believe it to be worth sending in to NGC or PCGS?
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could it be something like this?
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 Posted 09/10/2018  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, not worth sending off. Sorry, not an error, and I see no text so no reason to belive error, or alteration, just a normal wear pattern.
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 Posted 09/10/2018  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure, go ahead, send it to ANACS or NGC with the request for additional recognition on the label of any anomalies found. They'll gladly take the appraisal fees..up front, no refund. So ya, go ahead if you're so sure of what you think it may be, those here seem to have no good input for you.
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Do you guys believe it to be worth sending in to NGC or PCGS?


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 Posted 09/10/2018  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would disagree with that and say it is pretty much exactly the opposite because the field areas of the second or overstike are the highest points of the die and tend to flatten and wipe out details from the original strike in those areas, Details from the first strike tend to show up best in the raised detail areas of the second strike because they don't get wiped out until the incuse areas of the dies completely fill and the original details get pressed against the die surface.


Conder101, you are correct, and so am I. Apparently of those coins on record, the designs from the parwent coin are indeed transferred to ALL parts of the host die strike. BOTH the incused devices AND the field level does not completely obliterate the original design. See the examples down this reference page please:
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=struck+on+foreign+coin


But what this further proves though, is that on the OP's coin in question, there would be other indications on the fields or with in other portions of the design to indicat an over-struck coin. Other factors to consider is sizes of the two coins in question. Is the host coin exact weight AND dimensions? An over-sized host coin(foreign) wouldn't fit within chamber, and if did would be broadstruck, same with an undersize coin wouldn't fully expand to collar and show features of a wrong size planchet. Neither of these effects are seen. OP's coin is just wear and pareidolia.

And final note: in reference note the words "mint-assisted"....
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