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Poland Kazimir III (the Great) Kwartnik (1/2 grosz)

 
 
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 Posted 09/12/2018  10:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
About 20 years ago I began my Poland "one from every king" collection. For Kazimir III (1333-70), I eventually obtained a tiny denar, 11 mm and 0.25 g, and these days I can only appreciate it with a magnifying glass. So I resolved to keep an eye out for a larger coin at some point.
Many disractions ensued.
I just won this larger (20 mm) kwartnik at auction. I've not received it yet, but I think this will take care of me for a while. As best I can tell, all of Kazimir's coins are relatively scarce and in high demand.
Obv: King seated, facing. Scepter in left hand, globus cruciger in right. MONETA KAZIMIRI
Rev: Eagle. REGIS POLONIE K (Krakow mint)
Kopicki 338, Gum. 350

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 Posted 09/12/2018  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet pick-up. Probably easier to see, and harder to lose, than its tiny counterpart. Congrats.
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 Posted 09/12/2018  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super pick-up!
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 Posted 09/12/2018  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! Congrats on this acquisition. This is the first I have heard of this king.
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 Posted 09/13/2018  08:33 am  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We don't see many medieval coins from Poland here, nice to see this one. Thanks for posting this one.
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 Posted 09/13/2018  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats! GREAT COIN!
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 Posted 09/13/2018  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, all, for the feedback!


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We don't see many medieval coins from Poland here


In addition to giedrius, I know that posters pepactonius and spence have shown some Polish/Lithuanian coins from the 1500s on the "How Far Back Can We Go" thread. (I realize that some might not consider the 1500s medieval). Before 1400, medieval Polish coins in nice grade tend to be kind of pricey (well, $200 and upwards ... )
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 Posted 09/13/2018  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scarce & wonderful example of one of the tougher Polish kings to obtain.

For those who may not know (such as myself before looking it up) a kwartnik is apparently 1/4 of a skojec... but then I had to look up what a skojec was... and then in turn look up what is a grzywna!

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 Posted 09/14/2018  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tdz, I see that my oldest Polish coin (i.e. listed in Kopicki) is from the reign of Wladyslaw Warnenczyk (1434-1444 AD).

In looking at your coin a little closer, I agree with you attribution of Kopicki #338--the mintmark K is very visible in the rev legend. I also note that Kopicki lists your coin as an R5 (26-120 pieces available), so congrats again on this super pick-up!
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@tdz, I see that my oldest Polish coin (i.e. listed in Kopicki) is from the reign of Wladyslaw Warnenczyk (1434-1444 AD).
Mine is somewhere nearby - a 15th century denar that I hadn't attributed yet. I thought it was Warnenczyk but I saw other examples later and got confused.

(I took some new photos of it today; will try to post for attribution.)
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 Posted 09/15/2018  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Kopicki lists your coin as an R5 (26-120 pieces available)

I saw the R5 designation in the auction catalog, but it doesn't seem to square with there being 4 of them in the recent Niemczyk auction. Anyhow, I was grateful to get it at a price not much higher than I have paid for less scarce Polish medievals.

As this is an area of focus for me, I have Polish medievals back to the reign of Boleslaw II (1058-1079). For rulers before Kasimir III they are all denars. I think one from the reign of Boleslaw IV (1146-73) was posted as a "near miss" for the "Going Back in Time by Decades" thread.

I've commented on EddieDiz' thread that I wish the craftsmanship in Poland were as nice as what we see from Hungary in the medieval period, but this is generally not the case, though there are some interesting designs.
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As this is an area of focus for me


@tdz, just a thought here, but a fun thread for you to start here on CCF would be to post pics of each ruler of Poland starting with Mieszko I (960-992 AD) and give us all a few days or a week or whatever to join in as we are able. For sure there will be some weeks when no one is able to post, but might be nice to have them all in one thread. From experience, I can say that managing these threads takes a little work, but is kinda fun too.
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 Posted 09/15/2018  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Do you recommend that I start it on the World Coins subforum (as we will eventually get past 1600), or keep it here? I suppose we could run here through Batory (1580s) and start anew with Sigismund III on the World Coin subforum.

And when you said "post pics" of each ruler, I am assuming you mean pics of coins of each ruler? (Or coins bearing their likeness, as there are some modern series like this).

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I'll leave final determination up to the mods, but I agree with splitting it into two threads for the purpose of staying within our somewhat 1600 AD dividing line. As far as pics, I was definitely thinking about coins. See, for example, this earlier thread of mine: http://goccf.com/t/269713 . In the end, it is your thread, so you make the rules.
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