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 Posted 10/02/2018  6:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add georgeoverly to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi. I'm new to the forum I was wondering if somebody could help me identify the conditions/error of my 1884-s Morgan. I know the condition of the coin is not perfect, but I cannot seem to find this error anywhere. It appears to be a double strike, but it's actually more like a shadow.

Anyway, if anybody knows what it is I sure appreciate your help identifying it. I'm new to collecting, But I have invested a fair amount of time in learning about grading and understanding errors on Morgan's. I just can't seem to find this one.
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 Posted 10/02/2018  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. Give it a bit and members will chime in.
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 Posted 10/02/2018  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures of both sides of the whole coin will be needed to determine a grade.

As far as the doubling goes .... Most likely it's Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 10/02/2018  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/02/2018  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What you're seeing off the top of the letters is called pull away. Typically on a coin exhibiting this the toning will be subdued in this area. I believe it is caused by the metal flow creating a hardened surface that resists toning.

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 Posted 10/02/2018  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's interesting, dave700x. I agree that, whatever it is, it is due to metal flow from being struck and possible die deterioration from the same metal movement. It's not MD.

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 Posted 10/03/2018  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is NOT Machine Doubling - it is the pull-away effect of the toning plus some Die Deterioration.
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 Posted 10/03/2018  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add georgeoverly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for you input, and your welcoming!!
I have learned so much just reading the posts and replies, that I thought it was time to join. So glad I did.
Regarding this "defect?"
Does "pull-away" affect a coin's value in any way? In this case, the pull away is on both sides, and on a lot of the letters and numbers.
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 Posted 10/03/2018  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pull away has no effect on a coins value although some, including myself, will use authentic pull away toning as an indicator of a coins original surface. You cannot fake real pull away toning and once a coin has been dipped and stripped it no longer will act in this manner.
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To CCF! Interesting find.
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