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1964 D JFK Half DDO and RPM-001?

 
 
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 Posted 12/04/2018  8:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add luvmyCAM to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Was examining a lot of constitutional silver coins I received today and this one caught my eye. Pretty good shape for junk silver lot. Half dollars are not my thing, any help would be appreciated. Are these fairly common and do they carry any premium?




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 Posted 12/04/2018  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neither a DDO or a RPM. All the affected devices are showing Machine Doubling. Reduction of those devices. Note the areas your seeing as doubled, they are flat, shelf like. Showing a single color, other than a contour which normal devices should have. Note the one side of the devices is flat, the opposite side is giving a light to dark look because the normal contour is there. MD removes contour and reduces the size of the normal devices:

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More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
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 Posted 12/04/2018  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add luvmyCAM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without better pics I'msure it appears as Strike Doubling, my apologies. I checked on V.V. The S and T of TRUST show serifs identical to varietyvista along with very minor doubling on the E of WE. Don't concur with your opinions as the D over D is clearly stage B with clear repunched mintmark. Always appreciate help one these die varieties but will take this one tounge in cheek. I'msurprised that even with these photos your not seeing it?
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 Posted 12/05/2018  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atrox001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe this half dollar would be the CONECA listed 64D DDO-007, 64D RPM-001, also CPG FS-50-1964D-501. Here are the CONECA listings:
http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20M....htm#_1964-D
http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20M...y%20rpms.htm
http://varietyvista.com/12%20Kenned...4DRPM001.htm
Attached are a photo of some markers for the RPM-001 and a photo of TRUST for the 64D DDO-007 from the half dollar in my collection. Note that some of the fine die scratches in my photo match the scratches in your mintmark photo.
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 Posted 12/05/2018  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had just ID'ed the save mint mark:
http://www.varietyvista.com/12%20Ke...4DRPM001.htm

With the coin so shiny, the glare hides what the collector sees.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Here is a shot of my rpm#1 if it helps



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Here is a side by side of the op's coin and mine. I want to say yes and no at the same time. A fair amount of glare in the op's pic.
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Sorry about the glare, to my knowledge the coins not plated. Ordered $60 in junk from JMBullion and received $10.00 Mercs, $17.00 Walklibs, $3.00 BenF half's, and $30.00 unc JFK's. That was a nice treat, all the JFK's were MS62-63 with 3 or 4 MS64's. In the lot was another JFK rpm northwest but its to tight to get a decent pic.
I didn't see the doubling on ST of Trust until I was on V.V. trying to match the rpm. There is no die mark from eagles talon to star but MM matches the 501. Pretty awesome strength of the D over D and neat to find one in a junk silver lot. Thanks for the comparison photos and insight everyone.
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Try comparing the edges with another 1969 half dollar. You might be able to tell if it was plated from that? There should be a small dark color on the normal edge of that year. If that is missing and shiny there, it may have been plated. I see a lot of bumps on your coin that usually indicates a poor plating job.

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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Plating? Aha another old time trick I need to watch out for. My other oldtime trick coin I discovered was a 1916 D Lincoln cent I bought raw with wax used to hide a nasty scratch. I dipped it in acetone before putting it in a flip and walla! wax gone and a ugly scratch across bust revealed after years as a poser. In today's age it strikes me odd when I encounter deception. It leaves me with more questions than answers. Remnants of Snake oil salesmen, interesting. What the heck would these rascals plate these coins with and why? I remember the mail order adds in boys life and Fingerhutt selling "rare old coins for $1.99" you got a weatie,Indianhead, V nickel and a Merc dime. The internet has changed everything. Fagan from Oliver Twist comes to mind. Did any of these people ever get rich? Thank goodness for the TPG's Ha,it cracks me up imagining basement mail order coin Laboritories. It must have been the wild west in the 70's dealing in coins.
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Or offing to sell you a Real copper Lincoln Bust for 19.99. They got a cent in the mail. (this was before the Zincolns came out)
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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