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Nero Coin From Ebay. Is It Legit?

 
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 Posted 01/10/2019  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Palouche I agree, not. Compare the portion of the thunderbolt between the feet of each eagle.
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 Posted 01/10/2019  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hvedo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Paul and Kushanshah. Just a question when they say for fakes to be identical in terms of die, do they mean obverse and reverse or just one side? also do you guys agree that his second coin has same obverse to the one I got?
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 Posted 01/10/2019  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OP coin on the right...

To my untrained eye the obverse looks a match and the reverse definetly not..

I'm not experienced enough to give a definite answer, but IMO they both look real
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 Posted 01/10/2019  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An obverse die match isn't the worst thing in the world for authenticity - it can often be a good indicator of authenticity (though I wouldn't count it for this series). Die were used more than once and if a coin comes from a hoard, it can be the case that it was found with others from the same die. Here is an obverse die match for my Corinthian stater with a completely different reverse die:


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 Posted 01/10/2019  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ hvedo

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 Posted 01/11/2019  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hvedo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Ben. How can we explain the 96.4 silver? It should have been 60 to 80 percent. But at least we can be sure its not sterling silver at 92.5 right?
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 Posted 01/11/2019  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If authentic, it would seem to my eye that the Nero tetradrachms were of different dies, but were the product of the same die cutter.
The styles are very similar, but the minutae of the details is different.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hvedo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guys I also found another die match. I think this one has both obverse and reverse matching . It was from CNG

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3344643

any thoughts?
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 Posted 01/11/2019  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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OP coin on the right...

To my untrained eye the obverse looks a match and the reverse definetly not..


I do not see a match obverse either:
On the left coin, looking at the lower row of leaves (above and slightly behind ear) the first two leaves at left are aligned; they are mis-aligned on right coin
On the left coin, the loop in ribbon behind head is round. On the right coin this loop is a bit squared

SLight differences, but I think real ones
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01/11/2019 09:13 am
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 Posted 01/11/2019  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Guys I also found another die match. I think this one has both obverse and reverse matching . It was from CNG


Obverse possibly yes.
Reverse definitely no. The horizontal wavy line just below the eagle's wings is completely different, as is the plant.
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01/11/2019 09:33 am
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 Posted 01/11/2019  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The branch by the eagle is usually the tell tale sign of a die match.

Could again be that the surface has been leached...cleaning in acid is pretty regularly used for silvers, especially when there are a lot of deposits on the coin, so maybe this had a particularly heavy handed acid wash to remove the horn silver. The gold content is high for a modern piece, as far as I know.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hvedo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for feedbacks. so Ben based on XRF can I be confident that this is real one?
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 Posted 01/11/2019  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The branch by the eagle is usually the tell tale sign of a die match.


Different numbers of leaves on both sides between OP coin and CNG example (unless I am missing some due to wear on the OP coin).

I don't know squat about ancients, but my eyes are still pretty good
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 Posted 01/11/2019  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hvedo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
also what do you guys think about what looks like a horn silver? is it natural or chemical? One local dealer said its created by putting salt and heating coin artificially but not sure how much I can rely on his theory. anyone has any opinion on detection of true horn silver?
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