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Being somewhat new to ancient coin collecting, I would like some feedback from seasoned collectors as to the ancient coin market historically. Has the price of ancient coins varied much over the last few decades? Do you see demand rising or waning since you started collecting? I would guess hoards being found and the eastern bloc opening up in the 90s had some effects as well as movies (Gladiator, Alexander and 300)sparking interest in certain historical figures. Edited by Canefan 02/20/2019 1:04 pm
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If you look back on auction results (e.g. on coinarchive), you'll see there has been a fair bit of variation in the last couple of decades. Metal detecting has really changed the market, as has the instability in the middle east. I haven't been collecting long, but I have seen some minor changes in the UK market, mainly regarding certain types which are more or less available at the moment than historically. One example is the coinage of Carthage - not long ago a large number of coins from Carthage went on ebay, driving the price down a lot, and now the price is recovering. This sort of thing can happen when a load of examples of an interesting type is imported and suddenly floods the market. Of course, if the supply ever exceeds total demand, it can permanently decrease the value of a coin - if a coin type is rare but a hoard containing 1000 of them turns up, its price will likely never fully recover. Some coins have remained very low in price due to lack of interest, despite their rarity. In my opinion, barbarous issues are criminally undervalued. Uncleaned coins have gone up in price, but remain very cheap, despite the fact that they are an exhaustible resource.
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I'm a relative newcomer as well (4 years this year), but I have done a lot of reading and research. - Severan and Nerva-Antonine coins have gone up, likely because of Gladiator. - There is a market for cull ancients that apparently didn't exist previously. Lots of uncleaned/cull coins used to go for pennies a coin, now you have to be selling real garbage to not get at least a dollar per coin on ebay. - Lots of rarities have been found; several have crashed. Most painful to read about is the "Pharaonic Egypt" AE coin of "Nectanebo", which used to sell for thousands and now (since being proven to be a civic issue of the Roman East) sells for $50 or less. - I've noticed a strong downward trend for coins of popular scarce emperors (Galba, Otho, Vitellius, Aelius) since the economy is on the rocks. Rare emperors (Romulus Augustus, Nepotian etc) are still strong. - The market for "non-classical" coins is growing, but still in its infancy. Known rarities of the Parthians, Sassanians, Huns, and Indian kings are starting to hold their own against more popular Greek and Roman coins.
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Wish I had bought up some eastern silver while it was still basically worthless - prices have gone up a lot. Still pretty low though, so I might still be in luck.
Much like the coins of Nectenabo, I have a coin of dubious attribution. It's a monogram of Leontius, which I'm hoping will be decided to be Leontius and not a malformed Leo.
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When I first started collecting ancients I would buy large uncleaned lots for pennies on the sometimes buying several thousand coins at a time for only a few hundred dollars. I don't do that any longer because of how prices have increased to thousands of dollars.
My area of collecting now is the Eastern empires which up to a few years ago have been an overlooked area and the coins were cheap. This has also changed now the more people have become interested in these coins the prices have increase greatly.
I would say that overall there has been an increase throughout the market and it will only go up.
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I've been interested in ancient coins since the 1970s. The following are the first things that come to mind when thinking of overall trends:
1.) The internet, both in terms of facilitating commerce and as a research tool. In the last couple of decades, the number of active ancient coin collectors has increased exponentially. 2.) The cultural property debate. Unless the tide is turned, ancient coin collecting will be increasingly restricted. "Old collection" coins with secure pre-1970 provenance already command a premium. 3.) The opening of Eastern Europe in the 1990s, combined with the wide availability of metal detectors, caused many ancient coin values to drop significantly with a flood of new material. The 1990s are sometimes remembered as the "golden age" of ancient coin collecting. Prices then climbed steadily (see #1 above) until 2008 (see #5 below). 4.) Hoards. None is more spectacular than the Mir Zakah II hoard discovered in Afghanistan in 1992 containing more than 500,000 early Indian, Indo-Greek, Indo-Scythian, Indo-Parthian and Kushan coins. Some coin types from these cultures now sell for as little as 10% of their former value. 5.) The financial panic of 2008. Many collectors stopped buying or sold their collections. Prices dropped due to over-supply and lack of demand. The precious metals crash in 2011 was another hit. Along with collectibles markets in general, prices for collector-grade ancient coins have been flat to slightly decreasing each year since. High-end coins ($10,000+) continue to soar to new heights.
Edited by Kushanshah 02/21/2019 12:56 am
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Another factor for future consideration is interest. Are the younger generations interested in collecting ancients (or coins in general)? This will certainly have some level of impact into the future.
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In Austria, and I assume the rest of Europe, there is a definite numismatic hierarchy, the more academic and prestigious is Ancient coins. At Vienna University, the numismatics department focuses mostly on ancient and medieval coins. I think it is the USA coin collecting market that focuses on modern coins( from 1492 on. I think a lot of that is due to the activities of the Third party grading companies they have matured the market for USA coins and other similarly aged world coins but are very sloppy when it comes to Medieval and ancient. The USA grading system really doesn't lend itself to ancients( and medieval). Therefore the demands on Individual collectors is higher for ancient coin collectors.
Edited by austrokiwi 02/21/2019 08:59 am
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Thanks all for the insight. In researching past auctions I noticed that many coin prices had dropped from pre 2008ish likely caused by the downturn in economy as mentioned in Kushanshah informative post. Some exceptions seem to be Tetradrachm of Athens and Alexander the Great lifetime issue drachm from my limited research. I wasn't sure if lack of interest was also part of this trend. Most coin shops I have been ito since picking up the hobby again have few to no ancient/medieval coins in stock. The only coin show I attended had one table out of 20 selling ancients. Although Heritage Auctions seem to garner lots of traffic for the weekly auction.
I have visited a few coin shops in Europe and the inventory of ancient/medieval coins vs more modern coins especially non-slabbed was much higher for obvious reasons. So I would assume the European market has more direct exposure to these types of coins for a newcomer to the hobby. While in Hungary I visited a store that had a nice selection of early Hungarian coinage. I had never really seen these types of coins before and could not believe how cheap they are. This is what really renewed my interest in coins and I walked away with a I. Istvan denar.
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