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 Posted 03/12/2019  3:41 pm Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just won this coin and am thrilled to add it to my collection. Looking forward to it arriving. While the obverse is not in the best condition the legend is just readable. Maybe not a rare coin but an important one.

AR Penny
Anglo Saxon
Kings of Wessex
Alfred the Great
871-899
circa 877-880's
Obverse: ΛELFRED REX SΛX
Reverse: BER HAH MOHETΛ
17MM X 1.1g
Ref: North 629




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 Posted 03/12/2019  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AnYangMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm, hate to be that guy, but I sadly don't think that this penny is genuine. The seller virtually deals only in fakes, and I don't think this one looks genuine either. Don't like the way the black patina looks on the reverse and the form of the letters on the revere do not resemble those of this issue. Shame! What did you end up paying?
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 Posted 03/12/2019  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to disagree I've bought from this dealer many times and the coins have all been genuine. I am new to Anglo Saxon coinage but have done some research and from that I am convinced it's genuine. Hopefully others will comment on it. I appreciate your comment.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with AnYangMan. I would expect a genuine example, even in poor condition, to bring the better part of $1000. North lists this type as "very rare". While most of this seller's (lamarstreasures) coins appear genuine, he has recently been listing some clunkers. The Burgred discussed recently is another.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AnYangMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I too am definitely not an expert either! Just to make sure; you got it from this (https://www.ebay.com/usr/dradjord11) seller, am I right? He has been on Forvm's fakesellers list since the beginning of this year and browsing through his recently ended lots, there is not a single one I would deem genuine (except for maybe the low quality LRB's that didn't sell). This lozenge-type is quite rare, with only a handful of coins available at any given time. And as Kushanshah mentioned, even worn specimens fetch at least one or two thousand. While certainly not impossible, I doubt they can be bought for 66 bucks from Serbia!
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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller isn't from Serbia, I would never buy any coins from that part of the world. He is a dealer from my home state of Washington. He does not appear on any fake seller list. I get the impression he doesn't know a lot about coins because they all start at $.99 and with a general description.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Merovingia....m1438.l2649

When the coin arrives I intend to give it a light cleaning and post some other images. If in fact it does turn out to be fake, It will be a lesson learned and not a lot of money spent

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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now we know the source. Lamarstreasures bought it on eBay from dradjord11 in Yugoslavia, who sells *only* fakes.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/352590338891
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143161754671
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03/12/2019 6:27 pm
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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AnYangMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, I see what happened. The seller you bought it from must have in turn bought it from the fake seller. It is undoubtley the same coin (https://www.ebay.com/itm/British-Me...047675.l2557) I agree that the seller you bought it from does indeed have mostly genuine coins, but I am doubtful of the occasional. In fact, I see more than one from the same source as this penny listed.

Edit: Kushanshah beat me to it! Indeed a shame Ron.
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03/12/2019 6:25 pm
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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link KS, you both have convinced me. I've contacted the seller and requested a cancellation, awaiting his reply.

Thank you both for setting me right.

He is refunding the money.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Check Jadey's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice detective work here. I know nothing about these coins, but an interesting read.

Well you have free 30 day returns from a 100% positive seller, so it shouldn't be an issue. I do find it humorous that he flipped the coin for a loss. I thought I was the only one who did business that way.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@echizento As a start in Anglo-Saxon coins, genuine Northumbrian stycas are both interesting and affordable. I would also recommend Spink's "Coins of England" (SCBC), if you don't have a copy already. North's 2-volume "English Hammered Coins" is the standard reference but now out of print, I think.

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 Posted 03/12/2019  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem I'm glad you did otherwise I would have never known. This is a new area for me so I should probably buy the books first.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry that it was not real Ron. I am another that would highly recommend SCBC. I have found it very useful and it is readily available.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just ordered a copy of Spinks.
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 Posted 03/13/2019  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I just ordered a copy of Spinks.


Very good. Special thx to @aym and @ks for their helpful sleuthing!
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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 Posted 03/15/2019  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pilegicvs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd bought a Tetricus from Lamarstreasures a couple/few years ago, and was "alarmed" at the direction this posting was taking. I'd exchanged a few emails with "Lamar" at the time, and he didn't seem to be a specialist in ancients. (If memory serves, sometime later he had for auction a rare item in one of my "actual" areas of expertise :-), and I was pleased to see it...) Thanks for the useful discussion.
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