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1997 D Dime Die Crack?

 
 
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 Posted 03/12/2019  8:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Not sure what I am seeing here, is it a crack, a scratch, a struck through a thread. appreciate any help.




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 Posted 03/12/2019  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep a die crack. With that placement we call it a spike head. More collectable type.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, now I have two, a quarter and a dime.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell for sure from the photos, but the crack may surround either a die chip or RIDB. If it is a break and is large enough to be a RIDB, it might be the first on a Roosevelt.

It might be worth a second look and some clearer photos.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look like a Retained Interior Die Break in the second photo.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 03/13/2019  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will see if I can get clearer pictures when I get home from work tonight.Interesting.
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 Posted 03/13/2019  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure if these are any better pictures, what I see is a U shaped crack and another line that runs to the forehead off of a die chip type spot at the bottom of the U.




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 Posted 03/13/2019  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting coin.

After seeing the new photos, I'm not as sure this is an IDB. It might, however, be a Retained Cud (RCD), which now is being called a Pre-Cud.

Here are the first and third photos that you just uploaded, enhanced a bit and cropped in the case of the first photo. I have marked portions of the cracks with red arrows.




I see two things with the U-shaped die crack. First, it connects twice to the rim. Second, the crack appears to be complete. I cannot tell from the photos whether there is movement (displacement) of the portion within the crack. The second crack is interesting. It is as bold as the right side of the U-shaped crack. I cannot tell from your photos where it starts.

It would be helpful if you could take whole-coin photos with a cell phone or camera, and upload those. Seeing the entire obverse and reverse in a photo would help.

I think you have something interesting here. There are quite a few people on this message board who have many years of experience and who likely will weigh in. Having the two whole-coin photos would be a big step in finding out what you have.
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 Posted 03/13/2019  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am adding two pictures I took with my phone unfortunately this is the best I can do with photos. It looks like Roosevelt ha a fractured skull.



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 Posted 03/13/2019  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for posting the new whole coin photos. They are much clearer. Your die break is interesting.

I just don't know if the break quite makes it to Retained Cud status. Compare your coin to RCD-10c-2017P-01. There, the die break clearly includes the rim both times. Your coin's break seems to include the rim on the south (lower) leg of the break, but I just can't tell on the upper (north) leg.

On the other hand, the connecting crack is impressive. It traces all the way to Roosevelt's eye.

Let's see what others think in light of the new photos.

Regardless, you found a keeper!
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 Posted 03/14/2019  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all your help fortcollins, I will put this coin in a 2x2.
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 Posted 03/16/2019  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitally, eventually get it attributed with COC
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
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 Posted 03/16/2019  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks GrapeCollects, I will definitely give it a go once I'm able to get better quality images.
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