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Is This A Carausius Denarius Or Antoninianus?

 
 
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 Posted 03/14/2019  4:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hwg3141 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello everyone!

I saw this one online, and was wondering if it was a denarius of Carausius or an antoninianus. It looks bronze and small for antoninianus. It doesn't appear to have a radiate head, instead having a laureate wreath.

Any ideas?

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 Posted 03/14/2019  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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This is an Antoninianus
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 Posted 03/14/2019  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
echizento is right.
Although spikes on radiate crown not obvious, the rim of the crown is, but it does look a bit like a wreath.

My copy of Sear does not a denarius for Carusius.
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 Posted 03/14/2019  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Pax reverse F/O or E/O across the fields a RIC 101 type I think?
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 Posted 03/14/2019  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubted at first
But Wildwinds does list an denarius although not this reverse
Some 'ants' of Carausius have very short spikes but the crown here sits quite high for no points to be visible
The coin appears to have an excellent green patina that I associate with better quality brass/bronze
Count me as uncertain

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 Posted 03/14/2019  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with FR ...
There doesn't seem to be a radiate visible? But I don't know of an alternative?

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 Posted 03/14/2019  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my eyes, the bust is laureate, thus a denarius. RIC 718? RIC notes that these denarii are "probably of London or barbarous". There is a substantial group of coins of Carausius which are neither clearly official nor clearly unofficial.
https://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=136301
https://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=40831
Salient snippets cobbled together from several pages of RIC V.2:
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 Posted 03/14/2019  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I confirm denarii of Carusius in Wildwinds.
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The denominations of Caruasian coinage are tricky and often ignored. This one is laureate, not radiate, so perhaps it is valued as a denarius; Carausius issued denarii in good silver at the start of his reign to demonstrate his power and prestige, but these coins were rapidly debased - this one can't have much silver to it at all. It has a fairly good bust and is a nice example of a typical Carausian coin.

One thing - it does look a bit like it reads [PAX] AAG (sic). Quite interesting.
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 Posted 03/18/2019  10:24 am  Show Profile   Check Paul Bulgerin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have, what I believe, is an AE Carausius denarius in my collection. It's quite thick and heavy. It's in my safe deposit box at the present, so I can't provide a photo.

I recall Harlan Berk offering an AE Carausius denarius for sale a number of year ago.

Sorry I can't be more precise on both counts.
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 Posted 03/18/2019  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a link to a gallery of a specialist Carausius collector that contains quite a few denarii.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/g...hp?album=157
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There are denarii of Carausius, but most denarii of his have the substantial silver. A possibility is that it is an ancient imitation. There are very many unofficial imitations of coins of Carausius, ranging from quite similar to official pieces to wretched attempts to make a coin-like object. When you find a Carausius you cannot assume it is official unless it is quite nice.

I cannot make out a clear radiate crown so that supports the denarius attribution. However, it shows no silver, which denies the denarius attribution. A remaining alternative is that it is unofficial.
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