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2018 D Roosevelt Dime Uncirculated With Die Chips Or Post Damage?

 
 
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 Posted 03/24/2019  3:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 103070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi Gang...Happy Sunday.

I am in need of help of understanding the difference between Die crack vs. Post damage. I'm seeing some very clean cuts/scratches that don't look like Post damage due to the lack of other damage around the area. Can anyone help me with this understanding. And...if it die chips does it kill the value of he coin?

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 Posted 03/24/2019  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bag marks (Most of them in green on the obverse) are incuse. Damage to the coin from a hit from another. A die chip will be raised above the normal design of that area. Why are they raised? Because they are from the die looking that area from the die. So a void on a die will leave raised areas on the coins. Die chips continue as long as the die is continued to be used. Most often this is on the area where the design goes lower on the die. A piece will crumble off the die leaving the coin, showing as a chip on the coins struck after this happens.
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 Posted 03/24/2019  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree-these all look like damage to me. Very nice pics by the way!
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 Posted 03/24/2019  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 103070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the breakdown Coop.
So coin strikes...hmmm, I wonder why the damage doesn't continue to into the background of the coin.

Can you / someone send an example of what a die crack or die notch is?
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 Posted 03/24/2019  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably because the coin was not hammer into the other coin. Also in circulation they are just hits in a pocket, till, bag or just falling out of the machine into the pallet bags.

A die crack is when the die breaks down are starts pre-spliting. Here is an example:

The un-numbered one in the back is a die crack. When this happens the coins will have a raised mark on the coins:







Not sure what you mean by die notch?
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 03/24/2019  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Skippy72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just so I am understanding this correctly coop, you are saying that a mark below the surface on a coin will leave a raised mark on another coin? Each coin would have to be facing each other flat with raised areas from the motto and everything including the rim that could possibly keep the face from contacting each other but it would still happen anyways? And that there is enough pressure or force in a bag of coins making that possible? I am not doubting anybody I am just asking because I have a lot of odd coins and I know odd things happened in the weirdest way so some things that don't make sense actually do.
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 Posted 03/24/2019  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question: Just so I am understanding this correctly coop, you are saying that a mark below the surface on a coin will leave a raised mark on another coin?
Answer: The coin is damaged from the edge of another coin leaving an incuse mark on the surface of the coin (any locations or edge) On a die, an incuse mark on it (crack, dent, chip, void, cud, break damage) will leave a raised mark on the coins struck with that die over and over.
Question: And that there is enough pressure or force in a bag of coins making that possible?
Answer: The coins are contained in a bag are heavy. Dropping the bag, make them hit together. The bags are not shown much love as they traveled.
Coins are often defaced to mess them them. Damaged to change them into something else. Some try to make them look like coin errors, some burned, heated, torched, dipped in soap and heated with a candle, dipped in acid, cut with everything, put on railroad tracks, sanded, going through commercial dryers, shot with guns, smashed with leather straps, squashed with other coins in a vise and a lot more I'm just not thinking of right now. After they get done with their jollies, what do they do with them? Spend them and they show up here.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 03/24/2019  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are bad bag marks.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 03/24/2019  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Skippy72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wall put in setting me straight on that coop. And it's just amazing that people would take the time to deface coins. There is nothing more of a letdown in this hobby then when you come across a beautiful coin and there is a blemish on it because of a person intentionally doing it to the coin and just ruins the rest of the whole coin. But again I thank you for the great information very detailed and I'm sure I will come across alot more oddities and I am certain to be requasting your assistance because I am not knowledgeable at all on a lot of this involving these coins I just enjoy going through them, even if they aren't keeper's because every one of them is unique and has its own story to tell....
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 Posted 03/24/2019  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bag marks happen a lot. At the U.S. Mint, they fill a hopper up with coins and the coins are dropped on eachother, causing scratches and marks to get on the surfaces of the coin. They also get banged around as well.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 03/24/2019  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind: That 99% of the coins with incuse marks on them are PSD (Post-Strike-Damage) The 1% are the keepers. Getting to know what they are take time and patience. The rest, just spendable change. (Get it out there and thrill and let them down when they find out the same thing.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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