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 Posted 04/22/2019  8:46 pm Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I haven't gotten any rolls to CRH in about two months but I finally went to the local bank over spring break. They only had customer wrapped rolls this time and I'm extremely glad about that! One-third of the rolls were a small collection dump, all coppers in AU+ or 1980s BU cents. Got a 1972 DDO FS-103 that still had some luster, but that's not the point of this thread.

After getting through the collection dump I got to the normal mix of cents and wasn't finding much until this dirty, and unfortunately corroded, 1995 cent fell out of the roll. (I already treated it with acetone and VerdiCare so this is the best it will get)

This cent has doubling to the south on the earlobe. The direction of the doubling is similar to the 1997 doubled ear but the doubling is slightly weaker and the spread is not as wide.

It is not damage. It is not Machine Doubling, it is not flat, the ear has increased in size. It is raised and rounded and has tapering/notching to the most northern doubling.

I sent an email to Wexler just before posting this, waiting for a response.

What do you think about this one? I'm fairly confident this one is a DDO, much much more than the "possible doubled ears" I have posted in the past.





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04/23/2019 8:46 pm
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 Posted 04/22/2019  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks more like Machine Doubling. Nothing is actually doubled.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/22/2019  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It can't be Machine Doubling! I am seeing absolutely nothing that's reduced. Tanman, I am convinced that it's a genuine DDO. I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with Coop on this one. Sorry Coop.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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Cmon Coop! How can MD completely taper off like that, and wouldn't it decrease the thickness of the original ear's outline and not leave it completely unaffected?
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 Posted 04/22/2019  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not experienced enough to say wether it is or isn't a DDO but I can say good luck!
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That looks like a fairly strong DDO. Not MD in my opinion. Not shelf like or flat. It's nice, looks to be a step down from the '97 doubled ear. Still an amazing discovery if it turns out to be a DDO! Have you found any other elements that are doubled? The beard details, hair, eye, etc?

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Tannan, one of the things that makes me question whether it is or isn't is there is no doubling in the hair line around the lobe nor doubling anywhere else on the ear. Not seeing the doubling in the hair line makes me question it. Man, I hope you have it.
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Have you found any other elements that are doubled? The beard details, hair, eye, etc?


I can't find anything, but it is corroded around there and slightly worn. The 1997 and the 1983-D doubled ear don't have any noticeable doubling outside of the ear either, and those are stronger, so I'm not surprised there isn't anything else.
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 Posted 04/22/2019  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1997 Doubled ear:

1984 Dobuled ear:
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/22/2019  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure either. I think it may be legit. But, I have found other years in circ that look similar so I am interested in what James Wiles or Mr. Wexler would have to say.
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 Posted 04/22/2019  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The PCGS images and my images have completely different lighting and shadows, it's incredibly difficult to figure out where to put the lines. I was able to make one that lines up and shows the ear increased in size. I don't think making a side by side is the best way to confirm or deny it. But, you did line up the bottom-most line with the bottom of the shadow of the ear rather than the actual bottom of the ear.

*Hastily uploaded an inaccurate line-comparison out of frustration*
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 Posted 04/22/2019  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting Strike. I would have to agree with coop. If ya look at the lobe on top of all the mess lol It's to rounded looks like some king of strike damage to me. And it looks smashed from some kind of hit to the coin....Just sayin.
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I disagree with it being MD because:

1. I have seen MD taper off before, but I don't believe it is possible for MD to taper off towards the device. It typically tapers off away from it. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
2. MD does not affect the size or shape of the device (if you disregard the doubling the device is thinner. But if you consider the doubling as a part of the device, size/shape is unchanged), but the corner of the ear is clearly missing.
3. The ear on a normal coin has a slightly raised, rounded outline to it (it shows up better in my photo than on PCGS photo). The outline on my coin is completely unaffected. Wouldn't MD make it thinner? Also, the doubling does not go all the way to the edge of the outline, so if it were MD, why does the outline have uniform thickness? Wouldn't the thickness taper off as well?

Sorry for the debate, I just don't understand how it could be MD. I can try to take better photos if needed.
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Try this. Take pics of one that isn't the current coin, ie another 1995, with the same lighting and angles you used to photo the possible DDO that eliminates that variable.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
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So far I have no opinion, but reading along. My comment would be that there are a number of coins not quite like this but with at least some of the characteristics on the lobe. See that bit that sorta looks like a die chip and sorta looks like an extra outline of the ear so to speak. It has crossed my mind a number of times when looking at Lincoln ears that it is possible this was an area for the occasional re-tooling. Some of the things just are hard to explain otherwise. OF course, why on earth would you re-tool the earlobe? I have no clue.
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If you look at all the high spots like the Nose/upper lip/ Chin/Tie and the earlobe you can see ZINK..Looks like Damage to me... I could be WRONG
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