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 Posted 04/25/2019  09:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinSupplement to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



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 Posted 04/25/2019  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems like a medieval silver coin with a cross pattee and cresents in all four quarters should be easy to find, but I'm coming up empty on numista.

Maybe Crusader?
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 Posted 04/25/2019  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also believe it's a crusader coin but going through my limited reference material on crusader coins I wasn't able to find a match.
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 Posted 04/26/2019  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if the style of lettering could be a clue?

It does not look like the blocky gothic style of western Europe or crusader states ...
And is the central device in the first photo a crown?
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 Posted 04/26/2019  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This might help and it's downloadable too. If it's a coin of the crusades it's probably in this resource:
crusader coins PDF
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04/26/2019 2:19 pm
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 Posted 04/26/2019  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add owatchman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Travelcoin: thanks for that link. That's a great resource!
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Great, let us know if it helped.
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 Posted 04/27/2019  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You nailed it! I see that the first image is upside down and the legend is as you stated. To the first resopder, I now see the letters thanks to numisma "+M COMITISSA"
Thanks to both of you!
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@tdz, I agree that the Crusader States are not a super match for the OP's coin. The only other region that seems to have a cross pattee with crescents in more than one of the quarters is medieval Hainaut/Valenciennes. At first I was thinking that this was perhaps the middle section of this two thirds gros:

https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...064bead81720

but the crescents are oriented incorrectly (and the rev is a crown rather than most of a horseman). Smaller silver from this same region (e.g. here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces94853.html) also has four crescents, but again not facing the same way as on the OP's coin.

Sorry but this one has me stumped!
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Quote:
The only other region that seems to have a cross pattee with crescents in more than one of the quarters is medieval Hainaut/Valenciennes


Still looks like the best lead thus far.

I briefly wondered if that obv device could even be a rampant lion if rotated counterclockwise 120 degrees or so , since this is found on some deniers from that area... But neither the cross, nor that design looks quite right for the published examples.
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 Posted 05/01/2019  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinSupplement to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
still not find any...maybe it take some time
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usd 10 selling price, do you think that price will be okay?
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@cs, yes as an unidentified coin it probably isn't worth much more than $20 in my mind. For example, that was my max bid on a recent mail auction for an unidentified medieval. I personally like the challenge and twenty bucks seems like its worth the entertainment value of chasing it down. If it does turn out to be identifiable, then likely is worth 3-5 times that.
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thanks just to make sure that letgo price is reasonale
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 Posted 05/06/2019  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if this could be a later (17th/18th c.) Order of Malta coin or token, or a forgery of one?

This coin is not a match, but it has a Maltese cross with numerals in the angles. And the style of lettering is more modern like on the OP's coin (not Gothic as is found on the earlier crusader coins).
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44730.html

Also, a common device on Malta coins is the head of John the Baptist on a plate (as in the biblical story, and on this coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces83857.html ). It is possible that this is the device in the first photo of the OP's coin.
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that is the most simlar .. thank ..
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