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1963 Dollar Retained Struck Through Wire.

 
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 Posted 04/25/2019  11:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey Folks,

Been waiting this coin to arrive still waiting.eager to see the anomaly in hand.

Hoping for better outcome.


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 Posted 04/25/2019  11:55 am  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmmmmmmmmm Red flags here. PMD IMO
Edited by nickelsguy
04/25/2019 11:56 am
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 Posted 04/25/2019  11:59 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a scratch to me.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to say that is a scratch on both sides.
If you look at it closely, you can see a ridge running
along side of the marks. A struck through would have
smooth edges. PMD
Right now that dollar is just worth bullion value.
Don't know how much you paid for it, but hope you
can get your money refunded.

Edit:
Just noticed your heading said retained wire.
If there is wire imbedded in the coin, then it is probably
a garage job. Also it would be highly unlikely to have a
struck through on both sides of the coin.
Don't argue with an idiot, he will beat you with experience.
Edited by JimmyD
04/25/2019 12:26 pm
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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here the design impression run on top of wire.

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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The foreign object (wire) on 1 different from element on this crop.

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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
look at where the "thing" crosses the date numbers. If that was done during striking they would merge. NOT show a gap or smearing as is present. I believe what you see is bending of the "thing" at the edge of the high points it was pounded into.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looking forward to its arrival and new pics! genuine or not...it's a great learning experience.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reducing the lights using apps online.

Here where you can notice the differenciate.



If this was a garage job how perfectly without any mess show up here.

Btw, once I have it on hand will shot for better images.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going with PMD but wish you luck once you get it.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to help explain what we are referring to, this is a photo
of a retained struck through wire. Notice on either side of the wire
how it is flat to the surface, not raised like a scratch would look like.


Hope you can prove us wrong once you get the coin.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Talonbat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll agree with everyone here PMD looks like a deep scratch on both sides. If it was a retained wire it would be smooth. Jimmy's picture is excellent reference. When the scratch occurs the metal has to be pushed somewhere, as the scratch goes into design elements/devices it has to either push more metal over to keep the same depth or doesn't go as deep which is why you see differences along the scratch as it goes into different elements. You can easily test this on a junk silver dollar if you want it should result in similar result as your coin.
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 Posted 04/26/2019  11:42 am  Show Profile   Check TheDeductible's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I notice that the 'mark' is in different positions on both sides.
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 Posted 04/27/2019  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Just to help explain what we are referring to, this is a photo
of a retained struck through wire. Notice on either side of the wire
how it is flat to the surface, not raised like a scratch would look like.


Maybe we can check some US coins has retained Struck through wire on nickel or silver coins. When you check at the flat area of the coin its submerged/flat but when at the design some retained emerge.

Hoping my calculation on this coin get me right.
Edited by dikayopilak
04/27/2019 08:45 am
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 Posted 04/27/2019  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The position leads to suspicion
that these 'errors' contrived by a Mint employee.
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 Posted 04/27/2019  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
The position leads to suspicion
that these 'errors' contrived by a Mint employee

who knows!

Been looking online for double retained foreign element on both Ob.&Rev there one US coin has both struck through but only one retained this was on quarter coin and Canadian coin never seen as far as this if this one is legit retained struck thru.
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