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1881-S VAM Determination Difficulty

 
 
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 Posted 08/26/2008  12:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This VAM variety of an 1881-S is not apparent to me using both the Vamworld site and my Van Allen and Mallis book. The apparent die chips on both sides of th middle of the first 8 are easily seen. Both ones have a doubled crossbar at the top.The arrow is pointing a raised ridge of metal, and not just the different in luster/toning The second "1" double is less raised than the first one. I can't seem to find a combination with the die chips and the doubling. The "s" mintmark appears normal. Appreciate any insight.

Jim

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 Posted 08/26/2008  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffreyice1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert on this yet, but it looks to me like the whole date is shifted to the north (Could be lighting). What your seeing is the remnants of the lower 8. you can also see clearly the bottom of 1881 below all digits (If not lighting). I don't know what term to call it. I don't think its a RPD but could be.

Edit: Went back and looked at my two 1881 S's. One shows similarities to yours. See Picture below.

Edited by jeffreyice1
08/26/2008 04:38 am
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 Posted 08/26/2008  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
desertgem, Would like to see a close up of mintmark on this one. Never use die chips between loops of 8s when trying to VAM your coin. This is very common on Morgans and are not used to determine a VAM. They are used as die markers on some coins.
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 Posted 08/26/2008  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

Here is a pic. of the VAM 1 normal die. If your S mintmark
differs from this start looking more.

http://www.vamworld.com/1881-S+VAM-1
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 Posted 08/26/2008  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all,

Here is a photo of the mintmark.

Jim

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 Posted 08/26/2008  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
desertgem, I believe what your seeing as doubling under 1s is just die push on the coins surface. Also visible under the 2nd 8. Using the large picture it appears to have a die chip in upper loop of 1st 8. S mintmark is centered and tilted slighty left. Unless you can find doubling or die chips somewhere else on the coin, I would go with Vam42.
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 Posted 08/27/2008  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haaa, would have to be one with no photo on VAMworld !But I now agree with you as the
die chip inside the upper loop. I thought about the die push, although I didn't
think of the word. Thnks for the help!

Jim
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