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Is My 1887 2 Pounds Victoria A Fake?

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 Posted 05/13/2019  4:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MasterKromm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It weighs 15.042 grams

Caliper measurement of the diameter @ 28.44 mm

Micrometer measurement of the thickness @ 3.16 mm

weight : 15.042 grams

While I have not found a reliable source for the thickness, I have for the weight/diameter, and the coin's weight is almost off by 1 gram.

I will post pictures shortly, but please provide insight as to whether the coins thickness, diameter as well as weight are off or on point.
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 Posted 05/13/2019  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MasterKromm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok Here are the pictures:



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 Posted 05/13/2019  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weight of the gold coins at that time was very carefully controlled. 1 gram under would have been unacceptable to people at the time.

The coin does not look right from the picture. The colour looks off and the design seems a bit mushy.

That being said I do not have a real one in hand for comparison.
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05/13/2019 5:18 pm
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 Posted 05/13/2019  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and

My first thoughts are that there seems to be some grey/silver metal showing through, such as under the letters RE of 'REG', indicating that possibly the coin is made of a base metal with gold plating that is wearing off. The details on your coin also seem thicker than they should be - compare the horse's reins and the designer's initials B.P. on the reverse and the ear ring on the obverse to my specimen, which has some damage on the obverse but was bought from a reliable British dealer who sells numerous gold coins.


You can also check the photos on this site:
https://www.bullionbypost.ie/2-poun...unc-ms62-63/
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 Posted 05/13/2019  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MasterKromm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the quick reply. Not only the weight, but the details seem off to me as well, especially on the reverse.
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 Posted 05/13/2019  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MasterKromm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks NumisRob,

I have some sovereigns and this coin seemed off to me the moment I took it out of the package... I did buy it off ebay so I am starting the return process now. I've yet to attempt a return, so hopefully it turns out ok.

In this case I should have known better, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is. The crazy part, I asked the seller to both weigh the coin and vouch for it's authenticity before I would purchase. He said it was "original but ugly" and weighed 16 grams. Both outright lies, unless a weight of less than 5 hundredths of a gram past 15g means you round up to 16g.
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 Posted 05/13/2019  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a wrong un

https://www.google.com/search?q=188...BMze_9CE1arM:

Check the V in Victoria
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 Posted 05/13/2019  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ty88ty2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
unless a weight of less than 5 hundredths of a gram past 15g means you round up to 16g.


Of course that is what you do with gold coins! Didn't you know that? How could you slander such an honest seller? /sarcasm
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 Posted 05/14/2019  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with everyone else, that coin looks dodgy, Chinese coin mills again.
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 Posted 05/14/2019  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly, lots of fakes of the 1887 2 were made, and many of those in good quality gold.
If the weight is low by as much as 1 gram, then it is almost certainly a gold fake. Variations in design detail suggest 'fake'.
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 Posted 05/18/2019  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/22/2019  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zookeeperz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My favourite subject. That coin is a jeckyl . You have to take in to account these particular coins were the epitome of British coin design and as iconic then as they are today. The detail should be finite with sharp crisp lines. Like the horses tail . I am struggling to find a single strand that can be called hair . The dresses parts of the mane are just thick chunks.It's all clumsy and heavy. Victoria's profile looks like she just joined the knight kings dead army
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 Posted 06/02/2019  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MasterKromm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again for all the insight... I am looking for a bit more before I jump of the deep-end and buy another Great Britain coin over the interwebs.





Worth the gamble, or does it set off some alarm bells as far as apparent authenticity? Thanks in advance!
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 Posted 06/02/2019  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again: If you have any doubts at all, accurate weight needs to be confirmed.
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 Posted 06/02/2019  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MasterKromm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh I know that weight should be confirmed, first and foremost. But ultimately I only have the seller's word to go on. The Ebay seller from Greece had claimed the 1887 2 Pound coin's weight was 16 grams and I stupidly took him and his grainy out of focus pictures as a gamble worth taking...

I guess I could request a photo of the 1817 Sovereign on a balance? The seller seems legit and is based in the U.K. I am willing to risk it, will request said "proof" of weight before making a purchase.

If the above coin appears legit, what would be a fair offer given it's condition as shown?
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