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1838 Large Cent With PMD Or Cud?

 
 
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 Posted 05/14/2019  5:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
didn't win this coin but I am unsure if the reverse has a cud and die crack or PMD? Could not find examples of other coins this year with this. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1838-Coron...43663.l10137


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 Posted 05/14/2019  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe this was an attempt at creating a "brothel coin," a popular form of PMD in the mid-1800s.
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 Posted 05/14/2019  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please explain this term vis-a-vis this coin.
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Nice try - I don't want to get in trouble with the bad word filter...
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 Posted 05/14/2019  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wrong coin you are referring to. Posted pics of the coin I was talking about. The area by UNITED on reverse.
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 Posted 05/14/2019  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be a cud and a die crack...can you get closer pics?

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 Posted 05/14/2019  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope. Just Post Strike Damage ( PSD)
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 05/15/2019  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a crack or cud, and I don't think it is PSD either. Looks like a folded over lamination. The lump is clearly where the metal has been folded back over (same shape and the depressed area) but it isn't damage from where something hit it because the denticals in the recessed area are not damaged but do show the weakness commonly seen from being struck through a layer of metal that is no longer there. As is typically see where a lamination has peeled off or a clad layer missing post strike on a modern clad coin.
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Thanks Conder
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 Posted 05/15/2019  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not think this is PMD...I do see the strike of the UNITE"D" over the line/fold...meaning the fold was there first.

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 Posted 05/20/2019  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paradimecoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point Kopper Ken!
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