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10 Francs Out Of Collar?

 
 
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 Posted 05/15/2019  11:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add robert_ to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Ciao, I wait for your opinion about this 10 Francs 1951 which seems to be an Out of Collar error to me. The diameter is 20,3mm.
The irregular surfaces on the edge make me think that is a mint error and not a PMD.
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 Posted 05/15/2019  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like post strike damage to me.
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 Posted 05/15/2019  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a great possibility that I am wrong but
it seems to me that someone with lots of time to waste has flattened the rim with a small hammer.
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 Posted 05/15/2019  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree - a deliberately damaged coin.
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 Posted 05/15/2019  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The heavy circulation evident makes me think that an awful lot of people saw the coin, handled the coin and spent the coin without realising how special or different it was. Which in turn implies that when the circulation happened, the coin did not show this damage.
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 Posted 05/16/2019  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robert_ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, but f you hammer a coin on the edge or put under a machine you don't get that kind of porous and irregular surface. It seems a raw surface, like result in after a melting (or in a blank not properly finished?)...
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 Posted 05/16/2019  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robert_ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"The heavy circulation evident makes me think that an awful lot of people saw the coin, handled the coin and spent the coin without realising how special or different it was. Which in turn implies that when the circulation happened, the coin did not show this damage"

By the way, just to answer to Sap, it happened to me to find some very rare out of collar errors or partial collars coins that have circulated (especially from the period of the Kingdom, here in Italy). They are called "Bordo Largo" here (large edge). The people not always care or see the errors, also numismatists, believe me.

In the case of this 10 francs the edge look different, normally is flat, here is porous, that's way I liked to get your ideas on it.
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05/16/2019 05:21 am
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 Posted 05/16/2019  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In thinking about the rough edge, I cannot dismiss the possibility that this piece may have been struck on a blank, and not a planchet.
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