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 Posted 05/26/2019  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have another, bought at the same time with the same issue. Posted it earlier in the `Most Recent Canadian Coin Purchases`thread. My last thought is that if it won`t affect grading and only a little eye-appeal improvement, then I`d just as soon leave them as is. Maybe get them graded to see what comes back. If however getting them cleaned would bump up the grade as well, I might bid for the pro-cleaning to be on the safe side and then the grading.
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 Posted 05/26/2019  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@PacficCoin, 1960NYGiants - Yeah that stuff is not for my coin. If you read the specs: This cleaner is designed for proof, mint state, and almost uncirculated coins & Not designed for heavily tarnished or dirty coins.

I think if I used that stuff on these, they would get that bright orange/red shny new copper look. It would totally destroy them in my opinion. I saw one of these cleaned on eBay selling as mint state but obviously cleaned and it shows.
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 Posted 05/26/2019  01:37 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jeez people it's not rocket science. Use some common sense and cents. Use average, circulated, dirty 1940's/50's cents and try the various methods. Very cheap way to find your own results. Use different things you already have in the house just to see what they do. Trial and error on cheap stuff.

When I was a kid in the 1950's, you cleaned stuff with baking soda and made a paste, like VIM. Hey, in my 20's, I tried it on a black 1880's 5 cent silver. Sure took off the black, but sure made a lot of terrible scratches all over, lesson learned, won't do that again. And so on.

If the coin has so much dirt that you are worried about scratches, well, you let it soak for bit then use the brush like you are brushing two hairs on a baby's head, not your teeth . The oily spray will wash the dirt away. It's gentler than using a hawthorn - I have smoothed some lightly-corroded areas using a thorn. In my 69 years of life I've cleaned a lot of things, including a baby's butt , so a little something on a coin is numismatist's play.
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05/26/2019 01:56 am
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 Posted 05/26/2019  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@TerryT - Well if you had the soft touch to clean a baby`s butt, then maybe you`re the guy I`m looking for...lol
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 Posted 05/26/2019  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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TerryD: And A TOOTHBRUSH WILL NOT SCRATCH BRONZE

I'm sorry TerryD, but that's not true. To convince you, the best way is to test it on a Proof coin. You will see the multitude of scratches that occur, no matter how flexible the toothbrush used. Any act of friction leaves traces. On low grade coins it doesn't matter, but the higher the grade, the more likely it is to be problematic.

Otherwise for TaeKenDo, I would try soaking in acetone, 99% rubbing alcohol, or hot water. And if it doesn't work, I'll leave the token as it is.

Ah, and this variety is not listed by Courteau. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the variety Courteau #245 for the obverse, and Courteau #257 for the reverse. This is the fourth token of this variety that I see.
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05/26/2019 12:39 pm
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 Posted 05/26/2019  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ainsivalavie - I concur, I might try a quick acetone dip if I think there`s no underlying pitting, otherwise they`ll stay as is.

Interesting about the variety, would you have a resource that I could search out to learn more ?
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 Posted 05/26/2019  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The other I bought with this is an 1837 Lower Canada 2 Sous Penny Token in a very nice grade but basically the same issue.


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 Posted 05/26/2019  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is this,I have not used it https://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-Co...cectupt=true
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 Posted 05/26/2019  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@John1 - Thanks, saved in my watch list. Will look into it.
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 Posted 05/26/2019  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Wade's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1837 City Bank is possibly the nicest I've ever seen.

Nearly perfect rims & fields, lettering on ribbon nice and deep, plus razor sharp details on every device. Wouldn't be surprised if it came back proof.


I've staring at it for about 15 minutes now, and it just keeps giving more to notice as tome ticks by.

Do you mind if I ask what you paid for both? (PM me if you don't want it public). If I had to guess the '52 @ $200ish and the '37 @ $300ish
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 Posted 05/26/2019  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@TaeKenDo: Interesting about the variety, would you have a resource that I could search out to learn more ?


Here is my book on the subject:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/332773443168

Otherwise, there is also Courteau's original work, but it is not obvious to the uninitiated:
https://nassaumills.ca/wp-content/u...nada1934.pdf



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Wade: Do you mind if I ask what you paid for both? (PM me if you don't want it public). If I had to guess the '52 @ $200ish and the '37 @ $300ish

These tokens was proposed on eBay about ten days ago... I had also bid on Bank of Upper Canada token. But the price had gone too high for me... I thought at first this token had been cleaned.

The PC-6B2 is not necessarily rare in high grades, but it still requires patience to find an interesting token.
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05/26/2019 4:16 pm
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 Posted 05/26/2019  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Otherwise, the seller use a grazing light (I don't know if is the good expression in english for «Lumière rasante»?) to take the pictures. That's why the details seem so much in relief. But if I'm not mistaken, the LC-9A1 is very beautiful.
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05/26/2019 5:24 pm
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 Posted 05/26/2019  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Check Wade's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ainsivalavie's book is well worth the price.

ains, I can't seem to find either in eBay completed listings using both date and/or catalog number, could you help out with some more info?
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 Posted 05/26/2019  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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photography is not sad to say...lol


The picture is what first jumped out at me. Sorry it's not yours.
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 Posted 05/26/2019  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Wade: I can't seem to find either in eBay completed listings using both date and/or catalog number, could you help out with some more info?

For the 1 Penny 1852
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/BANK-OF-UPP...223486293316

For the 1 Penny 1837
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/LOWER-CANAD...223486241336


I hope you don't have a problem with that TaeKenDo. If yes, please excuse me...
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05/26/2019 7:10 pm
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