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 Posted 06/04/2019  02:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Sorry I'm new to this game and still can't distinguish MD from DD. I went through a lot of rolls tonight and found a variety of errors. I'm posting the strong pics of the ones I think are DD so if anyone can tell me if any of them look legit, I would appreciate it. I'll figure this out eventually and only post good stuff lol. One is a 1984 D that I'm wondering if it was rpm? Another is where "FG" is supposed to be but there is barely a mark at all. I'm wondering if it is considered a "no FG"? Another one looks to me like the olive branch is doubled? Then some other random ones. Thanks for your help!








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 Posted 06/04/2019  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mostly examples of Die Deterioration. No errors or premium for these. Just aging die examples.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 06/04/2019  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can someone explain to me why the last 3 pics aren't doubled dies? I thought for sure with those inside markings that it had to be one?
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 Posted 06/04/2019  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are lots of ways to distinguish the different types of doubling, but here are a few of the key ones:

1. A doubled die will almost always leave devices that are enlarged, fattened, thickened or appear somewhat distorted.

2. Machine Doubling generally leaves flat, shelf like areas next to the devices and reduces the size of the device.

3. Deterioration in the die, especially the kind in these photos, will show the appearance of movement towards the rim of the coin (hence the striations on the interior of the letters) and will reduce the size of the devices.

Think of the difference between a doubled die and Machine Doubling like this(WARNING!! OVERSIMPLIFICATION COMING UP!):

Put your hand into wet cement and pull it out. Nice image, right? Now put it into the cement again, except 1/4 inch to the right of the previous spot. See how it looks like everything is slightly bigger but if you look closer at the finger tips you can see they've been "doubled"?

That's a doubled die.

Put your hand into the wet cement in a new spot and while pressing it in move your hand to the right 1/4 inch and then pull it out. Do you see how you've created a flat area between where the impression started and where you pulled your hand out? That's Machine Doubling.

One happens in the actual die that makes the coin but leaves evidence of it's existence on the coin and the other happens when the coin moves as it is being struck.

The best place online to learn about errors is easily

http://www.error-ref.com/

They explain the entire coin making process and show virtually every type of error that can be made. (If you spend more than 20 minutes on this website your definitely an error coin geek!)

Apologies for the length of the response and hope it helps.





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I agree that it's not a Doubled Die.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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1. Note that nothing is doubled. Everything is reduced. Even Machine Doubling will show striation lines on the devices:


Not hub doubling. Just a striking event.
2. When die wear/deterioration happens the metal moves in the direction of the closest rim.


3. Note the fields are maxed out with die flow lines. They can be seen on the affected areas.

4. Hub doubling enlarges the devices with corresponding doubling of the devices. This is not the case on this coin.

Note the devices are affected towards the rim and the fields show a VLDS die created this affect. Not a doubled die.
A doubled die will affect the devices to show they are enlarged and look like the doubled hub affect created on the die:

Even a doubled die can show extreme die wear. On the class 2 doubled dies, that area on the outside of the devices can have the hub doubling go away, but the in side devices may show the doubled die.
5. Even the upper parts of the devices inside of devices can move in that direction.



So if what looks like doubling is caused by extreme die wear or Machine Doubling, it is not a doubled die. A doubled die had the doubling of the hub showing on the die. That is why they are called a doubled die.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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