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 Posted 06/10/2019  8:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinsInVT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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Hello all. I'm seeking help in settling an argument.

I purchased a 1967 centennial quarter from eBay recently. It was advertised as being a "beautiful, brilliant BU coin." Redundant, I know. The listing image showed some pretty obvious damage to the high points of the coin, so I messaged the seller prior to purchase to ask if the coin received was the one pictured with the damage, or if I would one honest to the description. Their response: "all coins are beautiful BU coins." Armed with this assurance I hit the good 'ol Buy It Now button.

The coin on the bottom is the one I received. After firing off an angry message, I received their response. "This is not a damaged coin. You may return it at your expense if you wish."

From my perspective, I'm thinking "In what world is this not a damaged coin?" But if I know anything, it's that there are things I don't know (especially in the world of Canadian coin collection). With that in mind, I'm turning to you, good forum members. Am I wrong and this amount of damage is acceptable for a BU Canadian coin? Or is this just another case of eBay fraud?

Thanks for your help!
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 Posted 06/10/2019  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Check TNG's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're not wrong, open a case with eBay and demand return shipping in refund as well.
Even the top one has rim damage and surface scratches.
Negative feedback would be my final move because of the attitude of the seller as well.
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 Posted 06/10/2019  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sharkman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like damage to me and not just wear, as the undamaged areas look new.
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 Posted 06/10/2019  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree completely. Can you give us a link to the original listing?
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 Posted 06/10/2019  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 06/10/2019  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is just a die that didn't fill properly during minting and not wear or damage.
Not positive but I think it's called die burn.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. (I hope)

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 Posted 06/10/2019  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4mile123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi CoinsinVT.

I am not sure if the issues with the coin you purchased are something that happened during the minting process but I don't believe it is die burn. The marks on this 1948 quarter are die burn and they do not look similar to me. I certainly believe you should have the right to return the coin at no cost to you.


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 Posted 06/10/2019  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Check Wade's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Different coin received than shown in your first photo, but the one you got has similar "damage" as the one shown on eBay.
Since the photo on eBay looks a lot like the one you received (not exactly the same coin as shown, but very similar), it's hard to argue that you didn't know what you were getting.

Personally I would never buy "1 out of many available" without seeing what I am actually getting.
I didn't think eBay allowed "stock photos", but regardless - you bought it knowing you were getting a mystery coin.

Hate to say it, but this one is on you by a slim margin. Lesson learned, be glad it wasn't an expensive tutorial.


Bottom line:

#1 You paid $6 for $3 worth of silver

#2 You're out $3 bucks.

#3 Life is too short, no one died, move on


PS:
If it makes you feel any better, there were nearly 50 million of these made, and if you stick around here long enough (hope you do) and get to 50 posts, someone from this community would likely send you a BU example for the price of a stamp.

cheers

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 Posted 06/11/2019  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with Houndog Bill
And here is yet another with "die burn".
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A not uncommon condition for mid-60's quarters.

It's not PMD, the coin is uncirculated and left the mint looking like that.
It's an ugly coin worth only melt value, not collectible.
Shame on the seller for trying to foist that one off on you.
It is far from beautiful, you deserve a full refund and return shipping.
Can you post the original item number?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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 Posted 06/11/2019  12:03 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is NOT damaged (post mint). This particular striking is subject to a lot of metal being drawn out to the deepest parts of the die, matching up on both sides of the coin. The term has been described as "die burn" (as Hounddog Bill has mentioned), but more as slang. The surface you are seeing is a function of the rough planchet surface not being fully struck.

Again, this is common to this coin, and sometimes even the proof-like (PL) strikes have the same feature. I have opened up mint bags of this coin, and found every coin in the bag to have this feature...

PCGS, which does place weight on the quality of the strike, would still grade it, albeit with a grade that reflects the poor striking quality shown.



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 Posted 06/11/2019  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the image is different than the coin sent, file a complaint. Even if it is $3, it is the only way to keep sellers honest, hit them in their pocket book. Bad feedback/lost money due to shipping will hurt them in the long run.

If the coin is similar to the image,then the responsibility is on you.

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 Posted 06/11/2019  06:39 am  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the coins is not damaged, it is just not a great strike. If you are unhappy with it, return it.
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 Posted 06/11/2019  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen ICCS graded these at ms 63 with the 67 quarters with die burn they understand it has nothing to do with circulation it's an artifact of the strike
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 Posted 06/12/2019  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsInVT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of great info here. Thank you all so much for your help. I learned something. Have a great day, all!
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 Posted 06/12/2019  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Check TNG's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So it isn't damaged, OK.
I learned something new about "die burn", but I myself, would never slough a coin off as a "beautiful, brilliant BU coin" looking like that. Even if it came from an unc roll, it is not an acceptable example.
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 Posted 06/17/2019  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Different coin received than shown in your first photo, but the one you got has similar "damage" as the one shown on eBay.
Since the photo on eBay looks a lot like the one you received (not exactly the same coin as shown, but very similar), it's hard to argue that you didn't know what you were getting.


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