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1972-D Kennedy Half Dollar, Need Help Identifying A Few Things

 
 
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 Posted 07/10/2019  12:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This coin has questionable features on both sides. On the obverse, the D mint mark looks a lot taller than every other one I've looked at tonight plus it looks like his lips & face are doubled. It doesn't look like typical MD to me bc it's not flat and doesn't extend to his neck or forehead. On the reverse, it looks like a DDR-001 according to the description on variety vista about the spread on the stars & rays above the eagle's head. The top of the flag is also doubled. I've never seen any MD in this area out of thousands of Kennedy's I've looked at. Go ahead and give me the bad news on the obverse and reverse....






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 Posted 07/10/2019  02:11 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is showing heavy Die Deterioration and Machine Doubling, on the obverse. I am also not seeing DDR-001, on the reverse.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 07/10/2019  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That eye is pretty clearly doubled, you can see more on nose and lips. Don't know about the mint mark or the reverse.
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 Posted 07/10/2019  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am seeing MD and DDD.
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 Posted 07/10/2019  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
High bounce MD and DDD.
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 Posted 07/10/2019  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same here!
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Not a doubled die. Just a VLDS die and Machine Doubling that is present on the coin. Note the left side of the eye area. Not there is not contour of the design. It is flat. That is what Machine Doubling does to a coin after the strike. It is like a kick in the shin to the design. If it were a doubled eye, it would be raised, not flattened.
Here is an example of a working hub doubled issue:





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 Posted 07/12/2019  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to make sure I am understanding this correctly, A true double die happens when the coin is struck multiple times but the orientation of the die and the hub changes leaving two impressions and will be will be on every coin that was struck while the die and hub were in that orientation. Machine Doubling happens when the coin moves.

Any input is appreciated.
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Actually the die has the doubling on it, that happened during the die creation. What you have on your coin is a striking issue, not a doubled die issue. The strike happened, then the machine damaged the devices on the coin on the way coming up from the coin. That is a machine issue. There is also a die issue that doesn't make a premium for your coin. What is that? The die is a vary aged when it struck your coin. How can I tell? Note on the fields of your coin and also the devices, the die is showing VLDS (Very-Late-Die-State) See the wrinkles in front of the eye and on the fields. That is called die flow.

Which would be the better one to by?
Part of the aging process of the die. As I mentioned, no premium for this. But why is knowing that important? If you were going to buy a doubled die from someone and the coin had these die flow lines on it, you might want to wait for a fresher example to come by. When you got to tell your collection, people show more interest in fresher dies to a true collector.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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