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Who Can Help To Characterize This Cob 8R Piece?

 
 
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 Posted 07/16/2019  6:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Message


this is a recent pickup
weight 26.82 g
8 on obv clearly visible

no idea of mint, year
thanks for your input
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 Posted 07/16/2019  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uneducated guess: Bolivia, maybe Philip II but I really don't know.
They can be very difficult for me.
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 Posted 07/19/2019  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Albert !

below some better pictures, including the edge
the differential thickness of parts of the coin is quite amazing

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 Posted 07/19/2019  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just don't see enough letters or numerals on the coin to be sure.
When I review the catalog for Spain, Portugal and the New World, one of the Philips from the 1600s Bolivia comes the closest.
There must be people out there that can recognize this piece much better than I can.
If you search online images of Cobs, something that points you in the right direction may pop up.
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07/19/2019 12:52 pm
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 Posted 07/20/2019  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
If you search online images of Cobs, something that points you in the right direction may pop up.


thanks for the advice

what catalog are you referring to?
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 Posted 07/20/2019  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spain, Portugal and the New World
Is the name of the catalog.
But researching online images of auction sales are often much better.
I do have trouble in finding a coin with that"8" on the right side of the shield in Bolivia. I wonder if it's something else? Or maybe I just have not found a suitable matching image yet. I'm turning my attention back to Spain and Mexico instead of Bolivia.
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07/20/2019 11:15 pm
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 Posted 07/20/2019  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@1c5, consider asking the mods to move this thread to the world coin section of CCF so that the Spanish cob/real experts will see it. There are several who hang out over there, but may not bother looking here that often.
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 Posted 07/21/2019  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Albert, thanks for the reference; and your idea to browse in auctions is great

I just stumbled this afternoon upon a similar piece with the same 8 and the same coat of arms on the reverse (shape of the cross and the way the rosace corners touch the lower right castle)

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...3310&lot=421

when the same type it would mean your initial assessment of Philip II and Bolivia was quite right !

@Spence, excellent suggestion - Tannks ! - I will ask
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