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 Posted 07/20/2019  09:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I need help identifying this 19mm coin.

Head on one side and a charriot on the other.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Badger Mint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you have an ancient plated counterfeit called a fouree. the obverse is Augustus Caesar who was emperor from 27BC to 14 AD the reverse is from a denarius issued by moneyer Q. Antonius Balbus is 83-82BC. Mixing designs wasn't unusual when making these. Still very collectable, I collect fourees to match other coins on my collection.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting! So it is an ancient fake. Is it pronounced 4ee? How much is it worth? Can you post a picture of the real one if you have it?
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@dman, could you please post the weight of this piece?
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont have the weight. I can weigh it on Monday at work.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thanks. This isn't an area that I'm super-familiar with, but I guess I'm struggling to see why this is a fourree over a more modern fake. I'm sure that others will be able to provide much more knowledgeable opinions.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I will weigh it at the coin store today.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It weighs 2.75 grams.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does appear to be a fouree. It looks contemporary to the period,but I'll leave t to more expert opinions to verify if it is r not.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm. I believe that the "Q ANTO BAB / PR" in exergue, with the A-N-T ligate, are associated with the coins of Q. Antonius Balbus. But those denarii have Jupiter obverses - clearly not what we see here.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for everyone's help. What does the enscription translate to?
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 Posted 07/20/2019  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What does the enscription translate to?


For "Q ANTO BAB" (it's actually probably BALB with the A and L ligate/attached), see:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/n...ius%20Balbus

For the "PR" see:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/n...w.asp?key=PR

The fact that the obverse is not a bust of Jupiter, but rather seems to be from a later issue - looks to me like a bare-headed Augustus (which would be decades later) - may be concerning. But perhaps some of the Roman collectors will chime in to provide their opinions. I am out of my depth with Roman Republican. Maybe the coin is fine.

Edit: I see that Badger Mint ID'ed both obverse and reverse earlier, above. I missed that previously.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your help Bob L.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An ancient fourrée would typically have a copper core. There is a possibility that this is a modern (mid-20th C) reproduction with a thin silver coating over a pot metal core. If it were a fourrée, one would expect the silver loss to be the result of corroding copper below. Here, the metal uderneath seems in good condition. Crisper photos, including images of the edge, would be useful.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dman95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple more pictures.

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