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Ancient Roman Imperial Coin - Pupienus - Pretty Sure This One Is Fake Too

 
 
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 Posted 09/21/2019  9:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CharlesTheBald to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
As with the Balbinus and Caesar coins I posted yesterday that the group confirmed my suspicions that they were modern fakes, a Pupienus came into my hands as well and it doesn't look right either. Please let me know your thoughts on this one.

Roman Imperial Pupienus AR Denarius - 238 AD, weight: 3.45 grams, size 16 to 19 mm

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 Posted 09/21/2019  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These three appearing together without provenance is a red flag in itself.
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09/21/2019 9:53 pm
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 Posted 09/21/2019  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CharlesTheBald to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They all came from separate sellers, but within a month of each other. I'm not a dealer, but an amateur collector who apparently has quite a bit to learn.
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 Posted 09/21/2019  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This type is often copied, while I wasn't able to find and exact die match the odds are against it being genuine.
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 Posted 09/22/2019  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another fake - but a good one. There are large numbers of these kinds of fakes appearing and the only good way to tell is to look at the other stock the seller has. In this case, the seller has a hundred other suspiciously high quality rare coins listed; not too long ago, they were listing obvious fakes, but they seem to have just passed off a set of these high quality casts - I suspect it is all one person with multiple fakes of each coin, creating a new eBay account each time they list a set.

For the avoidance of doubt, another account has also listed a big group of these fakes recently - heres an exact match for your coin in that group:



That seller is still active and has the same product history as the seller of yours - fake roman coins and saxophone mouthpieces.

Edit: Seems the seller accepts refunds on return, but you should try to prevent them getting the item back. At least you know you wont be too much out of pocket.
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 Posted 09/22/2019  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kevikens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A weight of 3.45 grams for a denarius of 238 is unlikely for a genuine denarius of that era.
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 Posted 09/22/2019  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These types of 'quality' fakes are turning up everywhere
Even some "respectable" sellers don't take the time to do due diligence
It is the price we are paying for the popularity of the hobby and the ease which modern technology has made acquiring these trinkets of the distant past
Fakes have always been around
But when ancients dealers at large coin expos dealt largely with "old poops" wearing tweed jackets with patches on the elbows the fakes were easier to spot and mostly of high end material
Now we have Facebook and charlatans far and wide selling fakes


Why Pay More !
They love to say it

The root of the problem is that too many are willing (even eager !) to believe
And why should they believe anyone who tells them what they don't want to hear
When the guy who sold it swears on his Xbox that it is real !
IN GOD WE TRVST ....... all others pay cash !

COGITO ERGO SPVD
I think ...... therefore I yam
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