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1878 Trade Dollar Philadelphia. Real Or Fake?

 
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 Posted 10/05/2019  4:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Please check this coin I got a week ago, not sure if it's real as the 1878 Philadelphia should be a proof only and this doesn't seems to be one.

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10/05/2019 4:07 pm
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 Posted 10/05/2019  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can I ask how much you paid for it.?
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 Posted 10/05/2019  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the weight right?
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 Posted 10/05/2019  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Check Seeker55's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Seeker55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, does it have the correct weight?

Here are a variety of tests to see if it's real silver.
http://www.silvercoins.com/fake-sil...ounterfeits/
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 Posted 10/05/2019  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it holds the correct weight and I've paid $150 for it
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 Posted 10/05/2019  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Circulated proof-only Trade dollars 1878-1883 are not uncommon, but this is an unbelievable steal if it's genuine. But I know nothing of these.
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10/05/2019 7:15 pm
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 Posted 10/05/2019  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have serious doubts on the genuineness. The rims and denticles are off.
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 Posted 10/05/2019  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have serious doubts on the genuineness. The rims and denticles are off.

but I don't own a single Trade dollar.
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 Posted 10/05/2019  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does not look "right". Highly suspicious of this coin. Pretty sure it is counterfeit.
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 Posted 10/05/2019  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plain old fake. Bad fake. Really bad fake.
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 Posted 10/05/2019  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
at least it doesn't have the cc mint mark..
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 Posted 10/05/2019  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayyk31 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has that fakey-fake China look. Does it stick to a magnet? I've read there are some lightly circulated (AU) examples out there but I doubt any this worn. The rim is a dead giveaway tho. Gotta be careful with Trade dollars buying them raw.
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10/05/2019 7:46 pm
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 Posted 10/05/2019  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The toning looks typical of a counterfeit. The figures look like casting, without the sharpness of a die strike. Look at the stars, which resemble holiday cookies.

But the really hideous part is the eagle's peg leg. This bears no resemblance to the real coins shown on the PCGS site.
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10/05/2019 7:56 pm
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 Posted 10/07/2019  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The real tip off are the raised lumps by the point of the 1 and in the field right of the date. Those would not be there on a proof.
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 Posted 10/07/2019  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counterfeits are often made from silver and can be the correct weight. You need to try and get your money back. The coin is not a circulated proof as noted the denticles are wrong and the coin has cast bumps that are typical for counterfeits.
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 Posted 10/07/2019  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adiw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help
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