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1909 VDB Penny! Is It A Matte Proof? Or Just A $5 Penny?

 
 
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 Posted 10/06/2019  8:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dennis omara to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have the following 1909 VDB penny, been told there are markers to identify if this is a matte proof... scratches near or under the nose and some die marker near the back of the jacket... I'm new to this and I see scratches under the nose but not sure on the jacket... any opinions?



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 Posted 10/06/2019  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

The rims look rounded, so I don't think it's the matte proof. The matte proof has very sharp, high rims. The surfaces may look like matte finish, but it's more than likely just circulation and wear on your coin.

You're right on the scratches in front of the nose. Also look for a long die scratch between Lincoln's shoulder and the word LIBERTY and a crescent die chip above the right side wheat ear just under the M of UNUM. Remember all of these will stand above the fields. You should be able to find the die markers by doing a web search for the images.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very hard to tell on a coin in that condition. Keep looking!
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 Posted 10/06/2019  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a matte proof
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 Posted 10/06/2019  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not even close to a Matte Proof.
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 Posted 10/07/2019  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not.



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The Matte Proofs were double struck making the design a lot stronger:
1909-S VDB business strike:


1909 Matte Proof 1909 OBV VDB.
1909-S VDB Business strike coin:


1909 Matte Proof 1909 REV VDB.

The strike is really strong on the matte proofs.
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