Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Twitter! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

1807 Mexico 8 Reales - Genuine? - If So, Grade?

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
New Member

United States
4 Posts
 Posted 10/30/2019  11:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gasdark to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey everybody!

It's a pleasure to be here, no longer lurking but actually posting! Your forums have already been a huge help to me in the past, but now, as I get more seriously into coin collecting, I find I need more active input.

I figured I would jump right into the deep end and start off with this 1807 Mexico Minted 8 reales I just bought off Ebay.

Diameter based on one measurement: 40mm
Weight: 26.7g

Most of the lettering seems to look good, as does the smile. Not magnetic.

I am unsure about the edge. I can see what looks to be part of the appropriate design. However, more than half of the edge appears to be damaged/worn away. As a result - or perhaps for a lack of experience - or perhaps because it is fake - I can't identify the characteristic overlap in the design.

The question is, is this a fatal defect? Are there other things that either militate toward counterfeit or genuine? And, if it is genuine, what do you think the grade is? I know the chop marks can be contentious in this regard - personally I think they're awesome, but I imagine if I got it graded it would come back details as a result.

Thank you all very much for your input! I'm excited to be here!






Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
United States
10517 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  04:12 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an expert, but that looks like a legit coin to me.
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
-Lucretius
"Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you."
-Kurdt Kobain
"Language is the source of misunderstandings."
-Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
My Want List: http://goccf.com/t/282022
Bedrock of the Community
United States
31269 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF Gasdark
John1
( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
Searched 5+ Million Cents Since 1971
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
United States
43983 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my field, but looks legit. Fine-15?
Pillar of the Community
Canada
3043 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks OK to me. You are just seeing quite a bit of wear on the edges. These coins were heavily used in commerce.
New Member
United States
4 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gasdark to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to see a consensus forming re:genuineness!

It's hard to get a sense of how to grade these coins by looking online. I was thinking it was in the vf to xf range details chopmarked based on the face and torso details and based on some certified graded examples I saw.

Paid $50 for it shipped, which one way or another seems fair. Thoughts?
Pillar of the Community
United States
4094 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I see nothing that constitutes a "red flag" for me.

Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
10/31/2019 1:00 pm
New Member
United States
33 Posts
 Posted 10/31/2019  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Safaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks legitimate to me. I see the obverse in the Fine category; albeit the reverse looks VF
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
81089 Posts
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
United States
2870 Posts
 Posted 11/01/2019  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As luck would have it, there is currently a 2-coin Charles IV lot for sale at auction, with one coin an NGC VF details chopmarked, and the other an NGC F details chopmarked. Maybe this is what you had referred to, but I'll post it here so others can see and compare for themselves. https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...f02e6ce8d771

In my opinion, yours would grade closer to the VF, and has better eye appeal than either. Nice score!

There is also an XF details Charles IV for comparison. In my opinion your rev is comparable, but the obv is more worn. https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...551403d4bcbb
Edited by tdziemia
11/01/2019 09:12 am
Bedrock of the Community
United States
18660 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2019  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-25 details, chop marked and looks genuine to me.
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
Canada
12039 Posts
 Posted 11/20/2019  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To the Forum.
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Coin Community Member eBay Sales

Certified Coins   Certified VAMs   Certified Errors  




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2020 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2020 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.86 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05