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1970 S 1c Large Date DDO FS-101 Proof?

 
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 Posted 12/05/2019  3:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add beomaster5500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, trying to post this again didn't have much luck a while back. picture size problems etc. Anywhoo I bought a proof set that had an old sticky note on it said dble die date on penny. The In God We Trust seems pronounced double die and all my research keeps coming to a large date 1970s DDO variety FS-101 but there is no mention of a proof one and they appear very rare?

It's in the proof set still going to try to post pics right now appreciate any help I'm probably wrong because it's not supposed to exist in proof...

Do appreciate any help thanks in advance folks.





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 Posted 12/05/2019  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beomaster5500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Funny thing is the sticky said date but I see it more in the In God We Trust part and Liberty...Wish I could get better pictures had a heck of a time just getting these under 300k for the post...
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 Posted 12/05/2019  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oijogja to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Beomaster5500,

I cannot see any doubling, but that may be because the images aren't clear enough to show (or I'm just missing it). You mentioned having trouble getting the images under 300kb. Are you using the free image optimizer? It should help get your image file size down to under 300kb.

There are several sites you can reference to maybe match up your coin, but then again, whoever wrote the note may have been wrong about it being a DD.

Maybe these can help. Make sure the listings mention Proof when attempting to make a match

http://doubleddie.com/452412.html
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...201970-S.htm
http://coppercoins.com/advsearch.php
everything else
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 12/05/2019  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beomaster5500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey thanks for the tips! I'll look into the image optimizing tools, was hoping the larger the image size and MP the more detail would be better but not for this site limit I guess. Do appreciate the feedback. Would anyone happen to know if I just send it out for grading do I have to crack it from the proof set? Do I include a letter saying what I think it may be not that I doubt their grading skills lol but didn't want it overlooked? Do all the coins then have to be paid for and come back slabbed from the proof set? thanks!
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It would cost more to have it graded than you would ever receive. Unless the coin is a super high grade proof coin, it would not be worth it to have it graded.
It is a Large date:
Pr-68
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/84100930
$12.00
PR-67
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/34584249
$10.00
PR-65
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/33082252
$8.00
Fee would range from probably $20 to $50. So unless it was a special variety or a cameo or D-Cam, it would cost more than you would have in value for the coin.

I just noticed on the nickel it looked like a double jaw, but it isn't. Note the eagle to the left. The proof surface is creating glare back off the inside and out side of the proof nickel. Just a lighting/reflection issue on the image. First time I've seen that in an image.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Way out of my league on this and please don't chastise me nor do I mean to in any way question anyone's expertise which definitely is well above my level of collecting. I was just using the PCGS pics for the FS-101 where the DDO concentration is in the In God We Trust area not the date area from the above inverted pic. The more common is date area related. The PCGS description I was latching onto references the following:

The 1970-S Doubled Die Lincoln cent is actually scarcer than the 1917, 1936 Type 1, 1955 Doubled Dies, the 1972 Type 1 and the 1995 Doubled Dies. The 1970-S Doubled Die has the words In God We Trust and Liberty dramatically doubled. The date is also doubled but not as prominent.

1970-S 1C LD DDO FS-101 (FS-029), RB (Regular Strike) Lincoln Cent (Modern) - PCGS CoinFacts

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just compared the pics here https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...029-rb/37998

My bad I thought it looked on point is all...
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Wasn't questioning the nickel but thanks for the false positive negative on that! Didn't mean to put that in the pic with the penny was just trying to capture the proof set. Thanks again
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The reason proof coins are more rare is because they only strike 3,000 coins with the dies. (6,000 strikes as the proof coins are struck twice.) So a doubled die on a proof coin is a very limited number. If a normal 1936 DDO-001 or two made a complete run, the coins number could be as high as one million coins. A full run on a proof coin would be 3K. So As I mentioned, a normal proof coin can be purchased at a coin shop for a dollar or less. A variety coin could be a monster in price:
1971-S PR-67 FS-102
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/85785469
S1100.00
1971-S PR67CAM: FS-101
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/85785469
$800.00
(And I feel they are way off on these prices as they are probably not considering the low number struck of these die examples. I just looked on another site and they wanted 2K for a similar coin graded by PCGS. So a special coin would be worth grading. But common stuff, they are better left in the set, away from fingerprints the worst thing to happen to a proof coin. If any other coin was a doubled die, then it might be worth breaking up the set. But who checked this and put this note on the proof set didn't know what to look for as a doubled die. Hang around here and learn slowing so you can retain the information. Seeing with images helps a lot more than just reading. All here are here to help. We all share what we know with others.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 12/05/2019  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beomaster5500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right on sir! Richard, trust me when I say I'm not too familiar with error coins this is why this one smacked me upside the head especially in a proof set. I was merely just checking a box on my proof set years list along my collecting ways when I snagged it. I try to avoid world coins and errors because there's just too much out there. I'm into US pre '33 gold down to territory gold from the early 1800's, seated liberty anything, barbers, civil war era tokens and the like and along the way currency of course. The few dealers I've shown this to are all like uhm it's DDO but it can't exist in proof because highest is regular strike MS66 being the highest. That's why I keep hitting a wall. Thinking I just got to send it in for grading and be done with it.
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So you like the classic coins? There is a forum for that. But not too active. You will probably learn a lot faster here. I'm with you on the classic coins. They are a lot more interesting than the dead presidents series. But I got started on the current stuff back in the 1960's. Back when you could get some of the classics in change. Never saved many because of the cost of saving change then was a lot more money than it is today. I found an image of a DDO on an 1876-CC 20 cent piece:

But, it was never listed. I asked why? They commented, no body collects these? (seemed like an odd response to me)
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 12/05/2019  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beomaster5500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you good sir! Yes, I'm guilty as charged for this era of coins. Carry down from my dad years past. Do appreciate the tip!
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 Posted 12/05/2019  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you see the doubled shield in the image above? I though it is sweet. Some of the early dimes also have this doubling.

Here are a couple of threads you might appreciate?
http://goccf.com/t/270081
http://goccf.com/t/270083
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 12/05/2019  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beomaster5500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yes, I gotta check my coins one of these days just never got educated enough on the errors. This is right up my alley coin wise have an over abundance of seated liberties! Thanks for the insight!
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 Posted 12/05/2019  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FS101 can't be a proof but there are 14 Proof varieties at Variety Vista.
I'm not seeing anything that resembles the doubling on 1970s FS101 in your images. Proof coins are apain to get good clear shots of.

Are you familiar with the Variety Vista site for modern coins?
Here is a link to 1970-s LMC. http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...201970-S.htm .

Best of luck with this one and keep us in the loop.
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