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 Posted 12/10/2019  8:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tomd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a 2002 P Louisiana quarter dollar that looks like a President Dollar in material plated.
I am sure something has been posted on this here somewhere, I can't find it.
I am also sure I am not the first to have one.
I have checked all the data I can find and there is no mention of this anywhere.
My brother in law also had one at one time.

So my question is what do I have?
How many were minted?
The value of a coin that is in a grade of a AU - 50 to 58?
And why can I not find any information on this coin?

Any help would be most grateful.
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 Posted 12/10/2019  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tomd, first up posting a couple overall pics of the coin would be super helpful. It sounds like you are saying that the color of the coins is more of a golden color than a shiny grey, is that right? Normally, this is just toning, but again a pic might help us to confirm. Thx.
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 Posted 12/11/2019  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most likely environmental toning but if we had the weight we could say for sure
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 Posted 12/11/2019  02:47 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's toning. Companies did all sorts of whacky things to these quarters, and that includes selling gold-plated sets. You can still buy one, if interested:

https://www.thepatrioticmint.com/st...ed-sets.html

The problem is that the plating job hurts any intrinsic numismatic value of the coin while not delivering any material value. So, people spent them as they are only worth 25 cents.
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It does look gold plated to me. Check the edge.
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First it is not toning, I know that.
Second if you place these three coins side by side, the quarter above, a Dollar President, and a Dollar Sacagawea they look like they are of the same material.
The image does not show the the bright mint luster that it has.
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 Posted 12/11/2019  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well if you are sure it is the same material as the dollar coin we are going to need the weight of the coin to two decimal places. The only way that could happen could be if they punched quarter blanks from dollar strip. Since the dollar strip is thicker than the quarter strip the weight will be higher, about 7.41 grams. With strip thickness tolerance figured in between
7.14 and 7.7 grams. So get us the weight and get back to us. If it checks out we can go to the next step.
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 Posted 12/11/2019  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The image does not show the the bright mint luster that it has.


I was really hoping there would be a weight this morning. I agree is does look similar to color to a "golden dollar" but that does not necessarily mean it is on a dollar planchet.
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 Posted 12/11/2019  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An accurate weight will narrow things down.

Edit: since the "golden" dollar is larger than the quarter, this could not have been struck on a dollar planchet given its appearance/alignment. It would have to be as Conder101 described, which is much less likely.

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 Posted 12/13/2019  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only thing that exists and known is a mule. It's a quarter obverse and a sac reverse from 2000. The sacred planchet doesn't fit in the quarter collar so what you are displaying can't happen on a sac planchet. They also drastically reduced mintage of sac dollars in 2002, another thing working against it being what you think it is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/200...quarter_mule

The muel doesn't have a reeded edge again can't street enough that the sacred planchet doesn't fit in the quarter collar. And the coin shown was struck inside a quarter collar because of the edge being there.

It's toned, discolored, or plated. It absolutely doesn't display anything that you'd want or expect to see if it was a wrong planchet.

For this to happen and look like this they would have to roll out sac stock as if it was quarter stock and punch out a quarter sized planchet then run it through the press. Highly unlikely to happen because they get the planchet already made for the sac dollars from the supplier. They don't roll them out or punch them out in house for sacs.

Send it into ANACS for authentication it's the cheapest way to do it and you'll know 100% and not have it haunt you. I think it's some surface toning on a regular 2002 louisiana quarter from what I know and see in these pictures. It doesn't look anything like I'd expect to see if it was a sac planchet struck in a sac collar with a quarter die pair. It would have a huge rim and no reeding.

And they weren't experimenting with different alloys in 2002. They had settled on the planchet for the sac dollar a couple years earlier. The experimental alloy examples are 1999 or 2000.


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 Posted 12/13/2019  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All of this is just one of the reasons everyone hates those new baby sized dollars.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tomd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok,

I have been at work and now on vacation. When I get back to work I will get the weight to 4 decimals.

The Size

It is physically small that the Susan B Anthony

It is physically small that the President Dollar

It is physically small that the Native American dollar

Again No toning it is VERY shiny, sorry if the image does not show this,

It is very detailed so no outside plating of gold.

I know what plating over a coin looks like because I was playing around and plated nickel over a copper penny for a joke.

Yes I work in plating.

So far From what has been answered I will say it is a learning experience for me.

As far as the coin "Mule Coin" it has the correct Obs and Res for that quarter dollar.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I'm leaning towards a plated or gold washed coin. Most likely one of these https://coinvalues.com/library/what...arters-worth

If you know that the coin is an off-metal strike, you'll need to send it for certification or it's always going to be questioned. If it turns out to be a real mint error, the grading should be well worth it. I found a 2000-P Sacagawea dollar struck on a quarter planchet that sold for $2760 at Heritage, but it was an NGC MS-66.
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 Posted 12/15/2019  02:08 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing you failed to mention was the reeding, but I can see it is reeded from the first pic. Toning doesn't mean it can't be "shiny" and being plated doesn't mean there is a noticeable decrease in the sharpness of detail. If you work in plating, then you know that there is a wide range of quality.

In any case, I believe the weight will confirm that this is a normal quarter that has been plated.

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 Posted 12/15/2019  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As spruce mentioned, companies sold the entire State Quarter series in gold plating. IT'S PLATED. Don't sell the farm just yet.
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