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 Posted 01/12/2020  7:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Todd5840 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



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 Posted 01/12/2020  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Doesn't look like a coin to me, but a bit more information like size, and whatever lettering you can read would be helpful (along with more complete photos).
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 Posted 01/12/2020  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To the CCF

Please rotate and crop your picture as CCF instructions when posting.
Also show complete coin along with dimensions and weight.
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 Posted 01/12/2020  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brazil, 40 reis counterstamp on something. Early 1800s. Let me see if can narrow the host coins down.
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 Posted 01/12/2020  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Todd5840 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all of the responses. Here is another image with sizing. It weighs exactly 1oz. I cannot make out any of the lettering.





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 Posted 01/12/2020  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is that 40 was stamped on later. After most of the original details had worn away. The faint design on the other side made me thing Brazil. So I did a little digging. Brazil does have a 40 Reis coin. At one time they used a design like that.

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 Posted 01/13/2020  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As oriole already mentioned, this is a Brazilian coin of 80 reis with a counterstamp to make it a 40 reis coin.
I am afraid it will be impossible to read the date on the host coin.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3974.html
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 Posted 01/13/2020  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srcliff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I can't contribute but I bet there is an interesting story here.....
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 Posted 01/13/2020  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Todd5840 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again for all of the comments. I'm assuming this isn't worth much. Is that safe to say?
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 Posted 01/13/2020  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These aren't particularly valuable even in better condition; with no indication of the host coin's date or mintmark, there's minimal value to a collector, except perhaps a "countermark collector" who just wants a cheap example of these official government counterstamps. The green blotches will also be off-putting to a collector.

The original coins have a few interesting points. Notably, that different provincial mints in Brazil issued the same denomination in different sizes and weights, depending on copper availability, hence the need for the subsequent government counterstamps. The catalogue also notes that the coins were extensively counterfeited, to the extent that modern collectors don't know, or even particularly care, whether a specific coin is counterfeit or not. Both counterfeits and legitimate coins would have received the official government counterstamp and put back into circulation. Given that the counterstamp on this particular coin is not very well worn, I suspect the original coin was quite heavily worn when it was recalled for counterstamping.
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