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Canada 1981 Cent Error Found In Roll Search

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 Posted 01/30/2020  03:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently was searching through 12 year old Canadian cent rolls and came across this oddity. Upon viewing the reverse side first, I immediately thought this cent was struck through grease Looking at the obverse, the surface appeared to be ground down, but upon a closer look, I noticed the rim on the obverse was intact completely around the coin, a feat that would be very difficult if it had been simply just ground down. The beading can be seen on the obverse going about half-way around the rim, and "Elizabeth" can be lightly seen on the left side. The portrait of the Queen's outline can be seen, but details quickly drop off towards the centre. Both sides arrear to be struck slightly off-centre. The lines running top to bottom on the obverse appear to be flush smooth with the surface upon close examination.

Returning to the reverse, the last two digits of the date can be made out, and only the last four letters of Canada can be seen along the bottom, and only the right maple leaves can be made out. There are no harsh diagonal lines on the reverse such as found on the obverse.

Please excuse the lousy photos... there are not a lot of details to be seen, let alone photograph. In person, details are hiding and it takes a while to see what is on the coin. I have noticed issues that this coin displays with US coins, but not so much on Canadian coinage. One more note... on the obverse, the pattern within the diagonal lines does not appear to be lettering, but it is very difficult to tell. With the rim being intact on the both sides, could the obverse be struck-though some material (causing the pattern)? It should also be noted that this cent is slightly thinner than normal (weight is 1.49 grams), but is the exact diameter of a Canadian cent. The obverse appears to be ground-down which would be supported by it's lost weight, but how does that fit in with the appearance of the reverse? And if it was ground-down how/why is the rim intact? What happened to this coin? Any guesses?




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 Posted 01/30/2020  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Struck on a split planchet?
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 Posted 01/30/2020  06:05 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Struck on a split planchet. Great find these are rare.
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 Posted 01/30/2020  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Great find these are rare.

Even more so on Canadian coins than U.S. coins.
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 Posted 01/30/2020  08:49 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Great find these are rare.


Actually, for the dates 1980 and 1981, these error types are commonly found.

Still, a good catch worth considerably more than what you probably paid for it!

Congrats.
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 Posted 01/30/2020  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Still, a good catch worth considerably more than what you probably paid for it!


I paid face for it, I purchased several cent rolls from Royal Bank 12 years ago and only recently broke them open.

SPP-Ottawa, you said: "Actually, for the dates 1980 and 1981, these error types are commonly found."

Just curious, why did you say this? What was going on at the RCM to cause this type of error?
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 Posted 01/30/2020  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RCM had a plant in Hull Quebec, seems like no security or quality control, but really cool errors.
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 Posted 01/30/2020  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Searching on eBay, I found another split planchet error very very similar to mine (but I think mine is better):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Canad...AOSwug5c7G4B

Here I was thinking mine was one-in-a-million, lol!
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 Posted 01/31/2020  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice split planchet! this was split before strike. if you want to read more on split planchets, read this post:
http://goccf.com/t/330437
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 Posted 01/31/2020  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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nice split planchet! this was split before strike. if you want to read more on split planchets, read this post:
http://goccf.com/t/330437


Wow, what a great explanation write-up! Thank you so much for sharing! I see my coin in a whole new light now!
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 Posted 01/31/2020  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Nice find there merc.

I still haven't broke into my rolls of 2012 Canada cents. Just can't seem to bring myself to break em open.
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 Posted 01/31/2020  03:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mont!
I was helping a fellow member fill his album and wanted some BU examples. If you need any help breaking into your rolls, I'm certainly willing and able to assist!

I feel I got lucky with this split planchet, but now that I know what to look for this find has got me going, eager to find more! I know over the years I have come across some "interesting" coins, that I threw them aside for a rainy day. I have a huge five gallon jug full of Canadian pennies to go through, and I just dumped a big pile of them out. I already found some interesting finds that I'll share here, but keeping with one coin/one thread, I'll post them soon. Some of these might be just junk, but we'll see.

The resources and knowledge base we have here is just incredible. Thank you to everyone!
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 Posted 01/31/2020  11:39 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect 1-cent errors, and have a fair bit of experience with them. So I am eagerly awaiting your future posts and always willing to help.
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 Posted 01/31/2020  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can still laugh about 1 in a million. Your coin could be 1 in over a billion; there were 1,209,468,500 cents minted in 1981 . Even if there are 19 more 1981's in existence (they will all be different of course), it's still 1 split planchet error coin out of 60,000,000 coins, so a VERY rare find.

edit after john100's post - rare FIND, no reference to value being sky high. I've searched 1000s of rolls and every coin ever passing my hands, my wife's hands, everything, in over 50 years and never found a split planchet strike, so yes, a very rare find.
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 Posted 01/31/2020  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's not get carry away with the very rare coin idea, this coin maybe 100 to 200 bucks, other rarer years maybe 300 bucks, there are a lot of 3 or 5 example errors that are worth thousands.
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 Posted 02/01/2020  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Value and rarity, usually goes hand in hand even 19 examples are more than demand
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