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1998 Quarter With DDR Not Listed In My Strike It Rich Book!

 
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 Posted 03/24/2020  12:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hail24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I hope I am not posting too many questions guys. As I get more familiar with this stuff I won't be always posting for confirmation that I am not seeing things or that I correctly identified an error. Since it isn't in my strike it rich book it makes me question myself even more even though it looks pretty obvious that the UNI in united all have doubling going on. Thanks for looking and any information is welcome. Chris





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 Posted 03/24/2020  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That coin dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any coin can have a double die error, yours is probably a rare occurrence and is thus not mentioned in your book, I would get it appraised by a proffesional
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 Posted 03/24/2020  02:17 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to break it to you, but it's worth 25c. You have Machine Doubling, not a doubled die. The text Machine Doubling is a hyperlink. Please click on it to learn more about this very common occurence.
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 Posted 03/24/2020  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with GC. No professional appraisal needed. Machine Doubling is very common and adds no value at all.
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 Posted 03/24/2020  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hail24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys I am still learning so I appreciate you letting me know. I read up on the Machine Doubling even though I will still probably get confused when I see one on whether or not is a DD. I will get the hang of it and thanks again. Chris
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 Posted 03/24/2020  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is MD. Here are a few sites to check,a book holds only so much info. http://doubleddie.com/
http://varietyvista.com/
http://www.error-ref.com/
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 Posted 03/24/2020  10:18 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reduced devices means it's Machine Doubling.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 03/24/2020  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, it will also get more confusing. Let me explain. Your coin is from a normal die. After the strike happen, the machine/dies altered the fresh strike, like a kick in the shins. This happens very quickly right after the strike. But on a doubled die the doubling is on the die. Thus every coin struck with that die will have the same hub doubling, showing enlarged devices and a spread on the center of the devices, with sometimes notching on the corners of the devices. Machine Doubling doesn't enlarge the devices, but reduces it when the MD pushes it aside like a snow plow pushes snow. When this happens it looks flat because the contour on that side of the device is removed by the machine. When taking images of this area, because it is now flat, it will reflect back creating glare and in a image you can't see it if the light is spotlighted on the devices:

Note the lower image first. The poster says I see doubling on the devices. Well looking at the image, the glare hides the Machine Doubling he is seeing. But when I invert the colors, then it stands out on the upper image. What he sees, and what the glare is hiding. All cause by the light to strong on that area, the light reflecting back because its flat and the find not realizing what Machine Doubling looks like.

Note the image on the left you can see MD that is flat. It remove the contour on that area. Note image on the right. You can see the contoured devices of a doubled die, fully contoured on each of the doubled die areas, with a spread in the center.

So note on the images above. Note on a doubled die, the devices are doubled. Note also the center image that show the size of a normal device is. The image on the left shows the MD area as being a reduction of the devices. That is what you are seeing on your coin. A reduction of the devices, not an enlarging of the devices.
So to get to the confusing part. Machine Doubling can happen on a normal and a doubled die. Both can be affected. Why? Because of the cause. The machine causes it. So when we look at a MD doubled die it will look something like this:

Note the 4 images are doubled dies of the 1969-S DDO-001 (yes the big one)
But note the yellow arrows. Those area are affect by Machine Doubling. The machine damages the devices. But not all of them, just in a direction of movement of the machine. So Machine Doubling can vary from coin to coin. Why did he just say that? To show an example of Machine Doubling from original rolls coins that show the same die marker in each image, and MD that is different from strike to strike.

You see these coins were struck normal, but the machine altered them, all of these images showing in different areas, but always in the same direction. So on your coin you might see one are more affected in one direction and other devices even on the same word, have different amounts of MD:

Note as the devices curve around the design, the devices are not all changed equally. Now if the devices are all in a straight line like on Liberty, then the devices will often be all affected the same:

These are not from the same pair of dies. But shows that devices in line will be affect similar. Hope this helps straighten your thought, rather than confuse you more.

CoopHome: Machine Doubling affects on devices
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 Posted 03/24/2020  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hail24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much coop that is very informative. Those are good examples and I understand more now. This coin collecting takes time and a lot of knowledge. Everyone thinks it is just looking at coins and that is it. There is so much more that goes into it. Just having fun looking through coins and hoping to find some errors big or small still a lot of fun. Thanks for every ones help you all know a lot about coins and I appreciate you all sharing your knowledge with me.
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