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1938 Crown Help With Grade And Authenticity Please. Your Thoughts

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 Posted 04/23/2020  8:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cardsparadise to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am no Crown expert and would be great-full if you could help me with this 1938 Crown please. Your thoughts would be helpful. It's weighing 26.29 grams . Is that about right considering its wear? It looks to have been wiped as well (thanks Ryurazu). Also take a look at the 9, 3 and K.G. they seem a little off, but would that be because its worn. I am thinking Fine or VF20 if authentic. cheers


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04/23/2020 10:45 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm official weight was 28.27gram which means it off by about 10%. Which is red flag given the wear amount would be a VF-F coin


Thing is it looks very correct however looks like it was clean/wiped
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 Posted 04/23/2020  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-30.
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 Posted 04/23/2020  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cardsparadise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ryurazu . I do agree with Red flags , but would that 10% account for wear putting this coin at fine. Also could you take a look at the 9, 3 and K.G. they seem a little off, but would that be because its worn. cheers
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 Posted 04/23/2020  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have some images that would indicate that it's a fake.

As they are NOT my images, I am not prepared to post them here. 2 main areas that stand out to me: are the squiggle near the tip of HM's nose, and the thickness of the right side downstroke of the R in George. The obv also appears to be slightly MAD.

In addition I would be very concerned by the 10% of missing weight. That's a lot to be missing from such a large coin.
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 Posted 04/23/2020  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
note Novel words I would agree with her

the word are off but I can with in reason say that's wear however weight is not wear so I would place this in a very likely to be fake would need further testing. If the coin was VG or worse 10% is possible but still quite low.

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 Posted 04/23/2020  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cardsparadise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Nevol and thanks Ryurazu , another few indications that its not authentic. So far indicators are: Not correct weight out by 10% , 9,3,k,squiggle,and the thickness R. Yes I see what you mean.
" if in doubt throw it out" everybody I appreciate your help.
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 Posted 04/23/2020  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
some of the other fake are very obvious but that cause they are 1937 Crown fakes and are very common (big nose a dead give away and a few other things), however this is a 1938 and there are definitely fakes as the 101K mintage making genuine pieces even in worn grades still collectable however easier to pass off as real.
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 Posted 04/24/2020  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
10% less in weight is way too much to account for weight loss due to wear.
Ping tone comparison test with another .925 crown should confirm.
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 Posted 04/24/2020  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know nothing about these crowns however 3 things look odd to me:
1) the stop to the right of CROWN looks oval (the one on the left is round)

2) the colons surrounding OF should be diamonds but the bottom two (one each side) look misshapen. I suppose that could be due to die wear but I'd be surprised if it were due to coin wear as the letters are hardly worn.

3) The upright tip of the G is much longer than the G of KG on other coins.

The bottom of the upright of the K is missing but that could be due to grease.

What are the dots inside the crown ? Are they casting bubbles?
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 Posted 04/24/2020  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The spotting and toning looks wrong. It doesn't help that it's severely underweight. At the moment I'm under the opinion that it's not genuine.

Can you please post photos of the edge?
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 Posted 04/24/2020  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most fake 1938 crowns can be easily identified by the same flaw which is the tiny indentation to the base of the crown directly above the 8.
This coin is most definitely a fake.
These often come up for sale on Ebay by unscrupulous sellers and should be reported by clicking on the "report item" button.
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 Posted 04/26/2020  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with all the above, except anyone who would waste time grading a fake. UNC fake, VF fake, Fair fake its all still a fake.

Fake - the horizontal streaks.
Weak striking and the K in KG is missing the bottom left stem.

A good fake though and its 2 grams too light, a coin in F - Vf would be 0.5 of a gram lighter at most.

Some Chinese faking operations, have sanders, grinders and drums which rattle newly made blanks around to simulate wear.

I would wager money that its not made out of silver either.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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 Posted 04/26/2020  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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except anyone who would waste time grading a fake. UNC fake, VF fake, Fair fake its all still a fake.


I don't agree with Princetane.

Grading is a skill which can (and should) be learned by all numismatists.

I find it enjoyable if sometimes very challenging. Apart from the pleasure, there is the added benefit that it can help you make better purchases. There is no harm in practising on fakes and I don't think it's wasted time.

Also, if you often see slabbed coins, you'll soon learn which are overgraded.

I don't like slabbed coins and I mentally mark them down a grade if I see them in auction, ie, I treat a slabbed EF as real VF, a a slabbed VF as real F and I've noticed that several of the London auctioneers give both the slabbed grade and what they feel the real grade is.
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 Posted 04/26/2020  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pertinax - of course

But I would flex my skills on real coins.

If we need to be technical - that fake would grade bare VF if it was real.
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 Posted 05/28/2020  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add predecimalcoll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just read this topic and I am interested in the same opinion about this crown from 1937 (photos) I need an idea of how good it is for selling



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