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Edited by Davere 05/11/2020 8:09 pm
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The best way to show Machine Doubling is to use arrows to show it.    It saves a lot of typing and reading. Extreme?  This one I would consider as extreme Machine Doubling:  But no premium for Machine Doubling. To me they are just a damaged coin. (Machine damaged the devices right after the strike)
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Hi, Davere. Can you discuss one coin at a time in a single thread. Start with your 1962 Jefferson nickel by posting full pictures of the obverse & reverse then focus on your coin issues. That way, the experts can address your concerns. You might want to start a new thread. Don't rub your coin with cloth. Learn from the experts on how to manage your coin.  Thanks. Enjoy the hobby.....
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Davere, you are getting the best information from an awesome teacher, Coop.   Thanks as always, Coop... You got me in a heartbeat... Lol 
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@davere, it looks like MD indeed on this nickel. It is interesting for sure, although "insane" seems like hyperbole.
Also, I'd be interested to see pics of your impaired proof dime in a separate thread.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Its not the the spread thats out there, its the depth of the initial strike that is amazing. The die had to have bounced well above the coins rim in order for the coin to have moved horizontally the distance you see in the dome photo. Either that or this is a double struck coin with a minor offset. The thickness of the offset metal just to the right of the dome is nearly as thick as (from that point) up to its highest point. Not only are most all devices doubled horizontally on the reverse its also doubled vertically. On the obverse its different. Here The second strike overlapped the first. Which caused a deep squared vertical edge that you see in Abe's profile photo. I know it takes time to educate others, so I do appreciate those who help others and myself shorten research time. I do value your opinions however I'm also looking for facts which are based on experience and common numastic science. Cause and effect... stuff like that. I know my photos weren't in 3D so here I hope I was successful in clarifying this error. MDing is going to happen. Unwanted Vibrations causing minor shadow doubling doesn't bring a premiums to its value. If a machine causes a coin to fail the mints level of acceptance for distribution shouldn't it be called a mint error, and not a damaged coin? Since MD is acceptable for distribution it really doesn't fall into either category. Just like minor offset and double strikes. There has to be a point where even these foreseen mistakes cross a line and would no longer be considered an acceptable product by the mint for distribution. When a mistake is so large and out of tolerance that it becomes a rarity isn't it then classified as a mint error? Of course it is. One or two percent of offset is acceptable but at 30% it becomes an error. Using this as a guide I dont see how any of a coins attributes or properties created by the U.S. mints machinery during manufacture could be called damaged after leaving the mint. Either they are within tolerance/acceptable or they are mint errors. If coins are dropped or mishandled by employees thats different. I'm going to stop asking questions on here because there is something wrong with my discription and photos. Feedback is always negative. I'm wasting my time here. The coins I have tried to gain knowledge of by my (ineffective) descriptions and photos aren't having the desired outcome I'd hoped for. It takes time and effort to upload pictures to new topics. Then trying to redescribe photos and attributes is taking too much effort. I guess its back to googling for information. I will ask one other thing as a last ditch effort. Where can a fella find the information needed to utilize this website effectively as a learning tool? I know education is expensive so whos taking retainers? Is this the way it works? Please let me know. Ive been blessed with finding rare things. Now I need a place to exhibit and share. thank you
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Quote: Where can a fella find the information needed to utilize this website effectively as a learning tool? I know education is expensive so whos taking retainers? Is this the way it works? All of our opinions are offered free of charge if for no other reason than we love coins. As for a primer, I suggest reading through the last page or two of threads in this subforum (US Modern Variety and Error Coins). You will see a few absolute gems plus a whole bunch of coins with damage. There are many other websites which could be helpful, including error-ref.com.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Need more information here. Click on to this link: CoopHome . It will take to three pages on another thread that shows where you can find information I've posted on threads on various subjects. Some threads can have over 100+ images.
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Machine Doubling is considered by most to be damage (not a perfect coin). But to each their own. True doubling IS not considered damage and is more a collectible error coin worthy of a premium. While we enjoy reading your thoughts, please use paragraphs to make your writing more readable. Thank you.
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