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1984-P LMC DDR - Need Help Attributing (Wddr-001?)

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 Posted 06/01/2020  8:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey guys, I'm almost certain this is one of the minor DDR varieties for 1984, however, I'm having a hard time attributing it. I see split serifs on the tail of the R as well as extra thickness on the bridge of the final A in AMERICA, and extra thickness on the arms of the E in UNITED. Looks to me like a possible WDDR-001, but not 100% sure. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks!






For reference, here's the E in UNITED on another 1984-P LMC:

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 Posted 06/01/2020  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you able to locate the die markers?
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 Posted 06/01/2020  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks E&V - I'm having a hard time finding any. Most are pretty minor and (as coop has told me several times) these things tend to move and change with die state, so not really sure what the best way to ID it is. May just throw it in a 2x2 with " DDR" and a description on the flip.
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 Posted 06/01/2020  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to see more pics of the reverse. This may be WDDR-005, some of the die scratches around AMERICA look like they may match: http://www.doubleddie.com/828844.html
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 Posted 06/02/2020  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO,not 005 or 001 and leaning towards not a DDR.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you explain why you think that, John? The tail of the R is very visibly split and the bridge of the A is noticeably thicker than on a regular cent of that year.

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Another 1984 cent:
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1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
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1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
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 Posted 06/02/2020  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SamCoin, I can see the splits and extra thickness, so it's a DDR. I don't know what John's seeing.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was looking at PCGS to see if they had and example listed. When I started looking at the of the examples posted there, it seems like most of them showed the same affected areas as the doubled dies listed on normal coins. So it maybe a master hub/die issue. So if you have the a BU example on hand, check to see if this is true for your coins. It seemed to be too common on the ones submitted on PCGS to be a die issue? Going to check into this some more though.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, Coop! I was wondering if it could be hub doubling - seems too scarce in my experience to be a master die, but definitely does seem like there are an awful lot of very similar listings with these same features on Wexler's site.

And thanks, E&V, glad to know I'm not going crazy lol
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1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
Two 2000 WAMs in a box: http://goccf.com/t/375240
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
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 Posted 06/02/2020  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just looked through PCGS CoinFacts for 1984 1c (Which is what I assume Coop did) and I don't see any with clear doubling on AMERICA. Many have multiple lighting sources in the photo, creating glare and shadows on the letters, but no doubling that's really there.

I have probably looked at thousands of 1984 cents by now and I've only found 1 or 2 of these DDRs. I highly doubt there's a doubled master hub or die.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As you all know I am no pro like coop. I would think if a DDR there would be more the one or two letters doubled,but as I said,no pro.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am with John, I am not seeing it. But I am getting old and my eyes are going bad To me the Notch in the R looks like Damage a hit of some kind due to it being on the inside leg of the R also If anything a VERY MINOR Doubling and something I would not keep.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
doubled dies can occur on only parts of a coin, John. I believe class I doubled dies have to effect all the devices by nature of the hubbing process, but there are many other classes of doubling that can easily be localized. If you look at Wexler's site, you'll see that there are numerous examples of doubled dies with this same basic profile for 1984.

@DavesErrors I keep minor varieties.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
Two 2000 WAMs in a box: http://goccf.com/t/375240
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
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 Posted 06/02/2020  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have another look at Wexlers site for the 1984 DDR you will see most of the ones he has listed have the thickening of the letters and caricaturist of other markers making it a DDR and yours dose not. You can always send it in and see what it comes back as. Also your seeing thickness on the A DUE to the LEFT side of the A being thinner making the RIGHT side look thicker.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Check SilverCents's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sam would you mind adding some arrows to point out the split serifs and such? I'm having a hard time seeing it, but that's only because I'm rather inexperienced when it comes to minor DDRs, relating to anything besides the columns and Lincoln sitting in his chair.
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 Posted 06/02/2020  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well the three sites call it is light. I prepared images of one that I thought was a DDR. Then I got an image of a normal coin, and they both looked the same. Guess I'm going to have to do more research on this one with the sites images with SBS views of a normal coin.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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