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Islamic Coin, True Or Fake

 
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 Posted 07/15/2020  11:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Oak to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello friends. I have the opportunity to acquire these two coins, associated with Abbasids Al-mansur Dirham. Would they say they are true or a modern fake?

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 Posted 07/15/2020  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@oak, can you please post weight and diameter info on both coins? Also, please share why you think that they might be fakes.
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 Posted 08/27/2020  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no weight and size. Can I really attribute the two to Al-Mansur?
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 Posted 08/27/2020  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The top photo is too far out of focus to be of much use. The bottom coin is of al-Mahdi, Madinat al-Salam, AH 160 and appears genuine.
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 Posted 08/28/2020  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the top photo might actually be a case of "severely worn coin" rather than "out of focus".

These coins are rarely faked, as they have little interest to Western collectors. They're also quite thin, and so are difficult to make realistic fakes of using either mould-casting or with modern machinery.
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 Posted 08/28/2020  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not long ago, either here or in another forum, someone asked for an opinion on a pair of early dirhams which looked convincing individually but when placed side by side were perfect twins. Very deceptive. The top photo reminds me of them broadly which is why I hesitated to give an opinion without a better, legible photo. Fakes are unfortunately more common than has been suggested.
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 Posted 09/23/2020  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The top coin is an Abbasid dirham from Al-'Abbasiya mint, date AH 167(?). This crude style is common amongst North African dirhams of this period. It also cites the governor in the lower reverse field, which is possibly Yazid but hard to tell. Looks perfectly genuine.
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 Posted 10/05/2020  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mohammadaak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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These coins are rarely faked, as they have little interest to Western collectors.

I would disagree. The main market for Islamic dirhams is Gulf countries and the market there is huge. Most auctions in the US and London are attended online by big collector communities from the Gulf, and fakes do circulate in the market quite often. With that said, the coin looks to be genuine, since as mentioned above, the crudeness of style is common with first period Abbasid dirhams from North Africa.
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