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Hi again! I just tried out my new camera, and 'm astounded! here's why:  This is a picture of the old setup.  A closer view of the viewing.  This has a coin in place,on the slanted base, with a rotating support.  the last, a view of the coin. I made three "ramps for the coins: 10 degrees, 15 degrees, and 20 degrees. some angles give better results than others, depending on what you are looking for. IMHO. I have never had a picture cout like these, before! the picture of the coin was from several inches away, and free support, (only hand-held)! I just found out the order I select my photos n the "bucket", is the reverse in which they are shown. Please excuse my ignorance, and the "out of order" of the comments. These pictures sure made my day! Does my neck get tired? Yes, even tho I use an adjustable chair for viewing. Like Chuck says, "take a break"! Dick
Edited by livingdinasaur 12/09/2008 3:51 pm
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I wouldn't spend that kind of money to get 1.3 megapixel. You'll be highly dissatisfied with the resolution.
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Sure reminds me of the QX3, and QX5. The "X" factors are the same. I agree with Chuck. For what it is worth, I tried mounting the camera on a temporary base, so it moves with the lens focusing adjustments. It is workable, and may be tried out with my new camera. The big 'con" is the full face shots. thru the scope. I can't get a very food shot this way. The research continues. Dick
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CHUCK, I am awaiting an usb microscope with a 1.3 mp camera built in, this type of microscope uses the computer screen you already have and I know some people on this site have something like the one I ordered and they find( so they tell me)it works well.The pictures are very sharp and very clear. I will let you know when I receive it, BE WELL, MIKE PS: ALL FOR UNDER $100.00 
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hemi1500, I agree with you to a certain extent. Say for example you had a drawer-slide, mounted on a support, which supports the board, (strip of wood), The slide mount would have two "pins", to go thru the two holes on Chucks strips. for security. But the drawback I see from this point forward is the lack of access to the slide to make a change, or pull that " Close AM". IMHO, the CON, would be that it only is useful for comparing thr orientation, and/or differences in design. For checking for varieties, ot other viewing, I imagine it would not be very practical. With this unit, you are watching a TV screen, rather than the coin below. Not a problem. The problem comes with the difference in what you will receive with that unit, and that price, as compared to the equiipment you would have, and the great difference in resolution. It would not be the best combination. You can duplicate Chucks setup for about the same money, or a little more. Having said all the above, I could have, (and probably should have), siad, "Not recommended". Dick
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QX-whatevers...lighting is completely wrong for imaging coins. You cannot make them take good images. End of story. I have seen them carefully dissected, played with, adjusted, melted, bent, broken, changed, warped...and they still produce images that are marginal at best.
1.3 megapixels is what cameras of 1995-1999 had. We are now in the 4 to 6 megapixel range for $150, and the quality is far better. I've seen 10 mpx cameras for under $500. I guarantee that 1.3 mpx is not going to produce very satisfactory results, no matter what you do with it.
Duplicating my setup would take about $900, and that's going with the cheapest possible reproduction. Mine cost over $1200. The lighting (the most important piece) is the most expensive. No way to craftfully and cheaply duplicate that part, and it's over $400.
Believe me...I've been at this for 10 years now - that is, ten years of trial and error at taking good photos of coins under higher magnification. I have tried just about everything out there, and have found that what I use now is best...and I've used the exact same thing for about three years now.
I've been through loupes and magnifiers of all sorts, trinocular scopes, boom scopes, biopticals, infinite zoom, four different cameras, five different lighting set-ups. All told, well over $5,000 in equipment. And what I have now is the best on the market for quality and consistency when it comes to good photos of coins under microscopes, and it's NOT the most expensive solution.
Of course I say all this with only one goal in mind - quality images that are reproducable, publishable, printable, and show VERY clearly what I want them to show. Depth, color, contrast, and quality. I can GUARANTEE you that a 1.3 mpx scope camera will NOT produce desirable results if your goal is quality images. If you're just playing around, it's fine, I guess. I wasn't just playing around from the beginning, so I knew the toy scopes wouldn't do it for me.
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Chuck said it very well. I have two 8 MP cameras, but neither has any optical zoom. The resolution? You have seen my pictures. They leave much to be desired. I recently bought a new Canon owershot A690 IS. It has 8 MP, and 4MP optical zoom. $132.00 for the camera. I have on order an AC Adaptor, to be able to use the camera for hours on end. Batterys, and a charger is not my solution. My scope is a stereo-zoom, infinite zoom, and both eye pieces 10X, both are adjustable. I bought it three years ago for $500.00, "Re-furbished". I didn't know which equipment I needed, and bought a lot that just don't measure up. The difference in my last post with the coin on a ramp, is the new camera, and my first set of photos. Compare them with the ones above them. Both cameras 8MP, but the canon has 4X optical zoom. It will take some time to learn to use all the buttons, wheels, and other adjustments, but I WILL! I have a small second scope that has two settingsL: 20X, and 40X. It gets a good work-out, because with the camera on the big scope, I can't use it. It is very troublesome to get it set to where the camera sees what the scope has. Too many angles, etc. In esscense, Chuck said it all, and I have learned much from him. I am trying to make a base for the camera, that can be mounted on the big scope, and MOVE WITH THE HEAd, AS THE DSCOPE IS FOCUSED! Then I will set it once, and be able to view the coins, and take pictures of what ever interests me. With time, and patience, There will be some decent pictures posted. Pictures that won't cause you to ask, " What am I looking at"! I am very new at this stage of collecting, (thrtee years), so there is a lot to learn. I hope you members, who have questions, will ask them! That is the easiest way to learn, and improve your pictures, and what you are trying to show others. Dick
Edited by livingdinasaur 12/11/2008 8:33 pm
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Man, I've got to change my set-up.  
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well I just want to creat a decent set up, with ease of use, I have 2 cameras, a poweshot sd300 and a fuji 602,i thought I could do something through the computer, I have a coupon to use with dell, so I was going to buy another monitor, but..I dont know...
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CHUCK, as you have strongly stated that you do not believe a QX WHATEVER(your term) will do the job, the lighting is w/e.I just wanted to share what I know some people on THIS SITE have used and still do and as with anything out there you will have to play with the system to get things right.I DO BELIEVE YOU ARE AN AMAZING PHOTOGRAPHER AND I BET YOU WERE NOT BORN THAT WAY. I do believe you are , according to your words,in my opinion, getting a little ahead of where I am compared to you an, accomplished author and truthfully, a brilliant copper coin extraordinaire, and you prove this every time that you post an informative and educational column, that said,i know we have agreed to dis agree on some things in the past,however let the little people, like me, make our own mistakes, like you did and who knows, maybe the finished product some are seeking is not to be printed in a text or on a page in a book that you are writting. I know you do all you can to assist others and I for one appreciate the expertise and talent you have come to freely give to others, I posted the message about usb microscopes to help others in my class, an avid coin collector looking to get some relief from the grind of useing a loupe and the straining of my eyes from hours and hours of doing what I love to do, HUNT FOR COINS AND ERRORS ON THOSE COINS.I am a disabled person who just keeps on trying.It would appear you are upset or at least your words seem to suggest this.I DID NOT MEAN TO BOTHER YOU AND IF THIS IS INDEED THE CASE, I APOLIGIZE AND WILL NOT "BOTHER" YOU AGAIN, BE WELL...
PS: There are many ways of doing things and I for one do things that suit me and my abilities.
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The usb camera I have takes pretty good pictures. However to use it to inspect coins for errors/varieties is a lot slower then the use of a loupe. I'm looking into getting a binocular microscope. I think it may help on the eye strain. I currently use a 30x by 36mm loupe. It helps me inspect quickly and I believe efficiently. I forgot to add that this usb camera came with a stand. 
Edited by rockdude 12/12/2008 12:38 am
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rockdude, you said,: Man, I've got to change my set-up. I don't see anything wromg with it!  You should se mine, 99% of the time! Right now, the "decks are cleared for action", while a new setup with my new camera gets put together. Dick
Edited by livingdinasaur 12/11/2008 11:26 pm
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Dick; I am anxiously awaiting your set up.
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rockdude, just doin't hold your breath while you wait! I am still in the mental image of the setup, and the images are not what I want, yet! I will be doing one of two things: trying to mount the camera to shoot thru thr scope eyepieces, (and the results I have had so far ore not what I am after). It will likely be in a space all its' own, and, naturally, close to a computer. I would like it at hand, so if there is a coin that I want to show, I'll just turn to the coin mount, and check the image, then shoot. After that, it is a hop, skip, and a jump to the "Bucket", and then post on the forum. That large "box" will not be a part of it. That was a prototype, and it works, but is very awkward.A couple more night sleep, and an idea will pop into my head. Then, it will happen. Dick
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