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Ebay Morgan 1921 D - Why Is This Coin Graded MS67?

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 Posted 07/28/2020  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sir Derrin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a fan... Way to noisy for me... I don't mind toning but it must be even... This coin looks clean but ugg...The toning id ugly...
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 Posted 07/28/2020  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On a purely technical basis, it does look like a 67.

I'm not a fan of the toning, though.
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 Posted 07/28/2020  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Needs to be dipped!
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 Posted 07/28/2020  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Needs to be dipped!




I'm a big stickler for surface originality, so I'm against dipping in most cases, unless the toning is detrimental to the coin (dark, black or grey toning). IMO this coin looks like it was stored in some paper envelope or similar container and shows toning patterns and color spectrum consistent with that. What annoys me is when people purposefully buy toned coins just to dip them. If you want blast coins, buy them, let people who like color have their fun.
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 Posted 07/28/2020  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are just the obvious marks I can see through the toning. Personally wouldn't say that's a 67.
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 Posted 07/28/2020  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The way I see it, if the coin is only MS-65 that could sell for MS-67 money, grade it MS-65 and let the market decide what it wants to pay, market grading like this, where a coin with 'premium' eye appeal gets a higher grade honestly at this point just feels like the TPGs are spoon feeding the market.
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 Posted 07/28/2020  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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. I am with Grapes , that is a fantastic example of an otherwise Common Morgan .
Willing to bet in hand , you would leave drool marks all over the plastic Holder


I have to disagree, in my experience alot of times coins like this once in hand tend to be covered in bag marks, it seems with toned coins like this the TPGs completely ignore any and all bag marks.
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 Posted 07/30/2020  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Toning rarely detracts from the technical grade. Investors know that a toned coin is one dip away from "blast white" so most will actually prefer original toning, unless it is really unsightly. Toning on this coin is neutral IMHO. Neither adds nor detracts from the technical grade, but a few will find the breaks unappealing. Hence, I think this coin would probably sell for less than the average market value of a 67. The grader almost certainly reviewed this coin under a loupe and didn't find any marks precluding the technical grade but, obviously, they make mistakes. Can't really say from these photos whether any were made. Would need photos of those suspect areas under a microscope.
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 Posted 08/01/2020  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've found that NGC graded 67's mostly sell for less than PCGS graded 67's.
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 Posted 08/01/2020  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've found that NGC graded 67's mostly sell for less than PCGS graded 67's.


This is very true. Actually, it's true of grade rarities in general. PCGS always sells significantly higher. Beyond that, I hate the way NGC holders present morgans.
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 Posted 08/01/2020  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont like it
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 Posted 08/03/2020  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a fan of toning in general unless it enhances the coin. in this case I think it detracts from the coin. it camouflages the surfaces of the coin making it difficult to see the flaws. I would never purchase a coin that looked like this
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 Posted 08/03/2020  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With this kind of toning it it is almost impossible to grade from photos.
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 Posted 08/03/2020  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1921's tone like this, showing a "crackled" appearance. Different planchet preparation and rinses than in earlier Morgans, different bags too.
Not a huge fan of the appearance, but it is natural and expected.
As for grade? Good luck trying to grade this piece from an image.....I certainly can't.
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