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1947 50c Ml Cr - Grade Opinions

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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Seller images, cropped by me, and PCGS TrueView.

I'm wondering why it got the grade it did, so I'm curious what others say. It is SP.


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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SP64
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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel I'm going to get a lesson here but I'm going to say SP66.
Looks great to me.

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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like there's rolling lines on the planchet especially on the reverse, that's why I don't believe it's more than 64.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me too: SP-66
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 Posted 08/15/2020  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say SP-65.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathMan27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like SP-65 to me.
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Thanks for replies so far. @DBM, I'm curious what "rolling lines on the planchet" are, as opposed to die polish.

There's not really any "trick question" involved here, but the responses so far indicate that I'm correct in being curious about the assigned grade.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
minimum sp 64-65
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@kbbpll your reply leads me to believe that the assigned grade is much lower than SP64.
Unbelievable!
Can't wait for the reveal.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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 Posted 08/16/2020  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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your reply leads me to believe that the assigned grade is much lower than SP64.


Agreed; I have a feeling they graded it SP-50
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 Posted 08/16/2020  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I waited long enough to reveal.

SP62. So not horrendously under the lowest guess on here, SP64, but it still made me wonder. If you look up the cert# and download the TrueView yourself, it's better quality than the one I put through the Image Optimizer. I'm surprised no one said "cleaned", but maybe when I said "SP" originally, everyone took that to mean straight-graded. Which it is.

I bought the Cook specimen a year ago, knowing it was graded SP, UNC Details Cleaned. I'd wanted one since I was a kid, so it was a 60th birthday present. Since then, I've looked at every image of George VI specimen 50c I can find. I have pondered the possibility that their "cleaned" designation on mine is in error - that they mistook die polish for cleaning. A large number of them are filled with die polish lines, even SP67 examples. So as far as "roller lines", I'm not sure if that's a factor when grading. There are also a lot of struck-through little bits of whatever they polish the dies and/or planchets with. Mine under a scope has two that are retained struck-through - the little bits of wire brush are embedded in the coin.

As far as the SP62, I was expecting at the grade that it would have a lot of chatter from mishandling. All I can see is what looks like a couple light scratches through the hair and perhaps the cheek. I guess we'd have to see it in hand to really know.

Another interesting observation with these is that mine is clearly concave on the obverse and convex on the reverse. Similar to the concave/convex designations for the 1948 specimens. It seems like the 1947 ML CR might all be concave, so maybe that's why it isn't noted anywhere.

Thanks for the replies and putting up with this obsession of mine. :)


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Looks a lot better than 62 in all the pics you posted.
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 Posted 08/17/2020  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes you have to consider the fact , that the TPG is not correct .
Wait ! No that never happens ! ( Sarc intended)
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