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1909 Matte Proof Lincoln?

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 Posted 09/20/2020  7:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message







First two pictures look like a match to me. Estate auction find from a folder from last year. Looks much different than my other 1909 although it's a vdb. There's a few die combos I hope this is one. I'm just learning about these so any info or comments appreciated. Thanks
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 Posted 09/20/2020  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you show us a full size, full color pic of the obverse, please.
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 Posted 09/20/2020  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have more pics if needed. Not sure if this captures the look
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 Posted 09/20/2020  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rims do look extremely square......maybe? I'm gonna wait for others to chime in before I say definitively.
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 Posted 09/20/2020  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coinfrog and quarterhoarder72. Although some business strike 1909s are said to have square rims I looked at other matte proofs and all the diagnostics are there. I'm no expert but this looks legit
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 Posted 09/20/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephm99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks promising. I'll wait for the experts.
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 Posted 09/20/2020  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks josephm99. I've done a fair amount of research on this so hopefully I'm on the right track.
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 Posted 09/20/2020  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pics aren't good enough to show any die characteristics. Not seeing any of them either.
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 Posted 09/20/2020  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Business strike IMO.

Just to add, the arrows in your comp photos mean nothing. What you are pointing to, with the exception of 1 of the arrows are not die diagnostics.
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 Posted 09/20/2020  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ploopy. What diagnostic are you looking for I have more up close pics. Also which dies are you referring to?
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 Posted 09/21/2020  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks grapecollects. That photo with the arrows was from a previous thread. I think they said it was a PCGS die #2. Clockwise I think those diagnostics are die scratch from m in unum to the field above the e. Die chip at 3 o'clock. Die scratch from tat in states and die scratch from u to n in United. What diagnostics and dies are you referring to maybe I have a closer pic
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 Posted 09/21/2020  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm questioning this coin. The rims look very proof like, but I just don't think the markers are there from what I see. Very iffy, leaning towards no.
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 Posted 09/21/2020  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I could be wrong like I said matte proof are new to me. From what I've read the rim should be sharp on both sides and textured like the fields from sandblasted dies leaving raised bumps
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 Posted 09/21/2020  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks quarterhoarder72. I'm not saying it is a matte proof that's why the question mark is in the title. I'm looking for info with my fingers crossed. It's hard to find info without having the matte proof book plus there may be new discoveries
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For the 1909 Matte proofs there is one confirmed obverse die (Albrecht 1) and 1 confirmed reverse die (Albrecht Reverse A). There are 3 other dies that may have been used (Albrecht Obv 2, Obverse 3, and Reverse B) but none of those dies have been confirmed as of yet. Also to note, the Obverse Die (Albrecht 1) is the same die used to produce the 1909 VDB cents.

To positively ID a 1909 matte proof there are a few markers that would be present.

Firstly, an obverse die scratch connecting the R and T of of LIBERTY.

A die scratch from the back of Lincolns coat going into the field.

And a series of die scratches in front of and below the nose.

On the reverse the easiest marker would be a die scratch connecting the right leg of the last A in AMERICA to the field, about half way to the wheat stalk.

My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
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 Posted 09/21/2020  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks grapecollects. I appreciate the info. Diagnostics along with the square looking rims is why I'm thinking it's a candidate. I'll post a few close ups
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