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Thanks quarterhoarder72. I'm not saying it is a matte proof that's why the question mark is in the title. I'm looking for info with my fingers crossed. It's hard to find info without having the matte proof book plus there may be new discoveries
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For the 1909 Matte proofs there is one confirmed obverse die (Albrecht 1) and 1 confirmed reverse die (Albrecht Reverse A). There are 3 other dies that may have been used (Albrecht Obv 2, Obverse 3, and Reverse B) but none of those dies have been confirmed as of yet. Also to note, the Obverse Die (Albrecht 1) is the same die used to produce the 1909 VDB cents.
To positively ID a 1909 matte proof there are a few markers that would be present.
Firstly, an obverse die scratch connecting the R and T of of LIBERTY.
A die scratch from the back of Lincolns coat going into the field.
And a series of die scratches in front of and below the nose.
On the reverse the easiest marker would be a die scratch connecting the right leg of the last A in AMERICA to the field, about half way to the wheat stalk.
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Thanks grapecollects. I appreciate the info. Diagnostics along with the square looking rims is why I'm thinking it's a candidate. I'll post a few close ups
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I will add that often times die markers are useless on coins like this as they are circulated and it can be hard to see them. In these cases I tend to go by the overall appearance of the coin presented. Matte proofs are proofs, and as such have a level of detail not found on even the best of business strikes. Personally, I believe this is a well struck business strike.
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Thanks nss55 and grapecollects. I'm still gathering as much info as possible from anywhere its available. For me its hard to confirm or deny without definitive info. I think I read that die #2 has been confirmed so I'm confused. All obverse dies were the same as the vdb I guess and reverse I don't know. Some info online is conflicting to me
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The right shape but grape knows his proofs from my experience.
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No argument here. I'm glad to have knowledgeable people give their time and insight whether right or wrong. I look at it as getting more information to make a more informed decision.
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Thanks coop. What's your opinion on this one? From your photos looks like I have a matte proof. The tell tale sign on this would be the polished die remnants from the die being polished near the rim. Business strike has no luster in this or any area. This original luster cannot be from a regular business strike according to these photos imo. What say you?
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 Pay close attention to the shiny area near the rim. This is not business strike luster imo. At the same time keep in mind I'm no expert so I could be wrong. Thanks coop |
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Just a business strike. Not a matte proof. Look at the strength of the strikes? The double strike causes the devices to have a very strong look. Yours is just a normal cent.
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Thanks coop. I think you all are right. Strike isn't strong enough. Thanks for all the help
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