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1971 S Silver Ike Dollar, Peg Leg & Unlisted DDR

 
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 Posted 09/28/2020  3:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
To save myself from uploading a bunch of photos I just took these few and I will upload more if needed, if you look closely you can see splits in the "L" the bottom left of the "A" and bottom left of the "R" in "DOLLAR". Also some of the stars have splits as well, I looked on wexlers and variety vista but I could not come up with a listing that matches.

Photos were taken through the plastic case it came in and the black insert messes with my lighting so hopefully these photos will suffice.

Would this be a new listing?

It does look similar to the 1971-S $1 Pr WDDR-018 listing on wexlers but the obverse does not have the WWHO-003 that is listed as a die marker.




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1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 09/28/2020  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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if you look closely


How closely?
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 Posted 09/28/2020  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do see the minor splits, so it is hub doubling of some kind. Figuring out the doubled dies from the doubled working hubs on the Eisenhowers is pretty tricky though, and I have no experience.
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 Posted 09/28/2020  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How closely?


Not close enough to put strain on your eyes,
in natural light with a loupe its easy enough to see without issue. Now replicating what I see using a camera and lighting its not as easy through the case. I can see the splits just fine in the photos provided if you know where to look for them.



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I do see the minor splits, so it is hub doubling of some kind. Figuring out the doubled dies from the doubled working hubs on the Eisenhowers is pretty tricky though, and I have no experience.


Thank you Tanman2001,
I am not very familliar with the Ike dollars and I got this within a bulk lot of random mint sets from US and Canada, I do recall reading about the Einsehower dollars having doubled dies and doubled working hubs and quite a bit of listings being removed/added so I'm just trying to sort out where this one stands within the mix.

Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 09/28/2020  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could we see the "RICA" of America. Preferably without the case.
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 Posted 09/28/2020  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a very light spread in AMERICA that shows subtle splits in "ERICA" on the tips of the devices.

I checked variety vista again and looked at the Working Hub listings for 1971 S proof dollars and this doubling is not in those listings either. I'm leaning towards this being a DDR and not a doubled working hub due to the doubling looking very similar to the doubling on the 1971-S $1 Pr WDDR-018

The doubling on this coin goes from a light spread in "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" to a medium spread in "ONE DOLLAR" with sublt doubling in the stars and the olive branch leaf under the FG initials.







The dot between "E.PLURIBUS" looks to be doubled as well.

Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 09/28/2020  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm having difficulty seeing any doubling on these new pics.
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 Posted 09/28/2020  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tanman2001, if you look on the "E" of the first photo you will see splits on the top right serif, its subtle and might pass off to some as a shadow, same with the last "A" of America on the bottom left serif, however I have light blasting at the coin from a 90 degree angle so I know it is not just a shadow.

Most of the visible doubling is actually on the bottom of the coin on "ONE DOLLAR" but due to the cameo and the reflections this coin is really hard to photograph, but with a loup and natural light I have no issues seeing what I am trying to show since I can rotate the coin with different angles of light so my apologies.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 09/29/2020  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to take better photos and hopefully these will help show what I am seeing. These photos were taken with the coin out of the case.


You can see a spread in the "AR" of dollar.





Here you see the second "L" of "DOLLAR", with a split on the top right tip, bottm left tip and the right tip of the "L".




Here is a lighter photo of "LA" from "DOLLAR" showing the split on the "L" and the spread in the "A".




Darker close up of the "A" in "DOLLAR".




Darker close up of the "R" in "DOLLAR".





Again, with a loup and natural light these areas are easy to see, photographing them on the other hand is not as easy. I have been looking online to try and differentiate it from a DDR or a Doubled working hub and it looks more like a DDR than the listings for the doubled working hub shown on variety vista. Hopefully these images will help show what I am seeing.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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