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I Think This Is A SMS 1964 Penny

 
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 Posted 10/22/2020  06:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ddi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
What do you think?

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 Posted 10/22/2020  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. Here is info. We need close ups of your coin.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-ce...sults-012417
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 Posted 10/22/2020  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, much larger pics of both sides, please.



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 Posted 10/22/2020  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably not. The only SMS examples are in sets. The hope to find one is not a realistic goal. There are markers for that die:
Obverse:







Reverse:









The die is VEDS (Very-Early-Die-State) It is a special strike (probably twice) making it stronger. Because they didn't make proof cents on the 1965-1967 coins, these were special strikes that have almost a matte finish on them.
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 Posted 10/22/2020  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will work on making the images larger and with a reverse.

Will the image tutorial show me how to do this?

Is there someone that can tell me the right way to get a nice large image? Thanks - ddi

PS - It may take awhile...
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I posted these larger images so you could compare the die scratches to your coin. The less than 100 examples were from the very first strikes. If your coin doesn't have these markers, then it is not a SMS coin. The most obvious is the lathe lines near the left plantar. The dies were only used for these strikes, for the SMS striking process. But were used later for a normal business strike usage.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 10/23/2020  05:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The most obvious is the lathe lines near the left plantar.

What is a left plantar?
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 Posted 10/23/2020  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the reverse there are two planters next to the left and the right of the stairs:
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 11/01/2020  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello -It took awhile to get these photos, I hope they are what you need.




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Some times I'm no smarter than a box of crackers but I finally got the photos to show up.

I hope these photos are what you need. And could this also be a close A/M?





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 Posted 11/01/2020  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Normal reverse. The close AM didn't start as part of the design until 1993. (a few on 1992 cents that are rare) So the idea for a close AM wouldn't appear for 30 later)

While the coin does have fresh dies because it is a EDS/EMDS example, it is a normal strike. The SBS were special strike examples. (Probably like a proof type strike with two strikes that enhance the devices a lot more) Look at the same areas of the images above and then look at the same areas on your images. The strikes are a lot stronger on the SMS coins. Also the lathe lines on the reverse of the SMS by the left plantar can be seen on the SMS coins.

You can see these stronger on the risers and on the steps, and the bays.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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