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 Posted 10/26/2020  3:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
NGC vs PCGS. Which do you prefer, and why?

Me? NGC.Why? Better holders.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS is more accurate based on my experience, but if it's me slabbing it I would go Anacs.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS for high dollar coins, NGC for mint errors, ANACS for varieties.

For coins where value or grade are concerned PCGS is a must. Any high rarity or grade rarities have to be in a PCGS holder or you're not getting anywhere.

NGC is best for mint errors as I find their holders best present many types of mint errors and they have a low cost of encapsulation.

ANACS for varieties as they will attribute almost any variety which is nice for me.

Oh and to people who would even consider ICG, why?
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1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
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 Posted 10/26/2020  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't quite understand why you think NGC isn't qualified to grade rarities. They're the official TPG of the ANA! If they're good enough for ANA then they're good enough for me. Their slab design is also FAR superior to that of PCGS. NGC also has far more expertise in a far more wide variety of coins that their competitors.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at Heritage Auction pictures almost all of the coins are NGC certified! PCGS is good, but NGC is certainly the market leader when it comes to third-party grading. Just wish they would wear nitrile gloves when they handle the coins; same goes for PCGS.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Don't quite understand why you think NGC isn't qualified to grade rarities. They're the official TPG of the ANA! If they're good enough for ANA then they're good enough for me. Their slab design is also FAR superior to that of PCGS. NGC also has far more expertise in a far more wide variety of coins that their competitors.


I'll answer these point by point and give my opinion on each.

I don't think that their unqualified I just don't think that they're the best. The reason for this is actually really simple. Grade accuracy and set registry. All the set registry collectors use PCGS and therefor have less interest in NGC slabs, it's just how it is. Also when it comes to high grade coins (MS-66 and above) for many circulation production coins NGC is very shaky. That's not to say PCGS is flawless, but especially with high grade, for example, Lincoln Memorial Cents NGC is very well known for overgrading. For that simple reason anything high dollar as a function of rarity (either conditional or operant) goes PCGS for me.


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They're the official TPG of the ANA! If they're good enough for ANA then they're good enough for me.


Yeah? So? I'm an ANA member myself and had an ANA dealers pass for 2 years, still have it as a matter of fact, doesn't change the fact that I don't give a crap who they're partnered with. Bud light is the official beer of the NFL but that doesn't automatically make it the best. NGC had to pay the ANA a stupid amount of money to get that title, the ANA didn't give it to NGC, they sold it to NGC.


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Their slab design is also FAR superior to that of PCGS.


That's an opinion. When it comes to durability of the holder NGC is a winner no doubt. But I despise the presentation style. Sorry, I used to be an NGC fanboy, I just hate the way that NGC holders present some coins. Morgan dollars for example I won't buy in NGC holders, I just hate the way they look. I think NGC holders present some coins better though, like MSRD 2c pieces look average in PCGS holders but much nicer in NGC ones at least from my experience. The other factor is clarity of the plastic is better on PCGS holders, and their holders are more scratch resistant.


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NGC also has far more expertise in a far more wide variety of coins that their competitors.


In world coins? 100%. US Die Varieties? 100%. Beyond that their about even.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
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 Posted 10/26/2020  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect Morgan dollars and I love the way they look in NGC holders. That's just my preference though. I guess it's just the way I was first exposed to third-party grading, but for a long time I thought NGC was THE grading service and PCGS was kind of a lower-level competitor that was not fit for grading high rarities. I personally find PCGS holders ugly.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a complete PCGS Ike set.

I only have two Ikes in NGC.

Read that however you want, but I could very well complete the NGC set at some point.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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For coins where value or grade are concerned PCGS is a must. Any high rarity or grade rarities have to be in a PCGS holder or you're not getting anywhere.

I do not even understand what this means. PCGS is not the end all be all as this statement makes it sound.


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All the set registry collectors use PCGS and therefor have less interest in NGC slabs, it's just how it is.

Doesn't NGC have a more inclusive registry than PCGS - as in allowing PCGS slabs as well and NGC? (rhetorical question) So that to me allows for a more likely opportunity to see the best of the best in sets vs limiting to only allowing 1 TPG.


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I just hate the way that NGC holders present some coins.

Some coins I am with you 100%. The white plastic has a way of minimizing the WOW factor on some coins.

This is a very subjective topic. I think grape makes some points. But as he says it is his opinion. As what I say is my opinion. If I had to pick it comes down to which company I have had the better experience with. The past couple of years it has been NGC. That being said this is my own experience and I know for fact others have had opposite experiences. So at the heart of it I have slabs from the big 3. Why if I am a fan of NGC? Because I practice the cliché but very true saying "buy the coin not the holder".
On that I think we should all be able to agree.







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 Posted 10/26/2020  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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PCGS is not the end all be all as this statement makes it sound.


Not saying it is 100%, but from my experience when it comes to prices realized PCGS brings the most.


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Doesn't NGC have a more inclusive registry than PCGS - as in allowing PCGS slabs as well and NGC? (rhetorical question) So that to me allows for a more likely opportunity to see the best of the best in sets vs limiting to only allowing 1 TPG.


More inclusive? Yes. More detailed? Yes. More popular? No. Makes sense? No. For example in the NGC No-Gold Type Set a MS64 1877-S Seated Half is around 2900 points. A 1976 Proof-69DCAM Washington quarter is 3400 points. One costs $1500 the other $15. Explain how that makes sense. I called and asked and apparently that's on purpose. Don't get it. Don't even get me started on the MS/PF thing.


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"buy the coin not the holder".
On that I think we should all be able to agree.


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My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
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 Posted 10/26/2020  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, I've never purchased a coin because of the holder!
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 Posted 10/26/2020  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ANACS is better for circ type and errors, NGC for gold, PCGS for MS coins, IMO.
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 Posted 10/27/2020  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Makes no difference to me. I collect coins not plastic so I just break out the coins and throw away the plastic.
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 Posted 10/27/2020  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mostly NGC for non-US coins, and certainly for ancients.

Either PCGS or NGC for US coins.
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 Posted 10/27/2020  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neither.

I prefer to grade my own coins, and save the expense.
It is essential for any serious collector to grade accurately, especially when buying, to 'buy the coin, not the slab'.

Third Party Grading is most useful if you are selling coins, especially on eBay, and for authentication.

I don't use eBay and I don't sell coins, I just collect and study 'em. My collection has remained in the growth phase for more than 50 years.
Besides, slabs don't fit into my scheme of things for storing and displaying my collection.
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