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1870 Newfie 5c Grading

 
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 Posted 11/14/2020  9:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi. Would you kindly grade the following, please (sorry, no reverse photos)? I'm not sure it looks VF. Thanks.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ATYA.../s-l1600.jpg


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 Posted 11/14/2020  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller is certainly genuine and well known in Canada .
The grading on the coin is typical , PCGS does not know how to grade
Circulated coins to Canadian standards .
Fine details by current standards in my opinion .
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 Posted 11/14/2020  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Yes, I've purchased from him before.

I get the fine part, but why the details?
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 Posted 11/15/2020  12:12 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the overall coin ..... pretty rough !
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 Posted 11/15/2020  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS uses the Sheldon system, and I think VF-25 sounds about right.
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 Posted 11/15/2020  11:44 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We use the Sheldon system in Canada as well .
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 Posted 11/15/2020  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you don't mean " PCGS does not how to grade circulated coins to Canadian standards," but rather they don't know how to grade circulated coins to YOUR standards?
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 Posted 11/15/2020  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No I mean exactly what I said .
Canadian Standards , British Standards , European standards and Australian standards are FAR
different than PCGS standards when it comes to grading foreign coins .
No advanced Canadian Collector or dealer would pay VF money for the OP
questioned coin . Canadian TRENDS and Charlton clearly state that pricing is
for Coins graded to ICCS or CCCS standards which are quite different from PCGS
standards , way more Conservative .
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 Posted 11/15/2020  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's some nice detail in the eye and the braid but the hair is fairly worn. I would say F15 or VF20. Also, I would ask for a picture of the reverse as this side is often quite weak on the 1870.
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 Posted 11/15/2020  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, yes I am waiting for that reverse photo since yesterday.
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 Posted 11/15/2020  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with Pacificoin, another overgraded PCGS example. F + details.
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 Posted 11/16/2020  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, I guess I'll pass this one.
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 Posted 11/16/2020  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse photo here now if anyone is interested:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2lcA.../s-l1600.jpg
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 Posted 11/16/2020  10:43 am  Show Profile   Check TheDeductible's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, but its a stretch past F-15, despite the lovely looking Reverse.
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 Posted 11/16/2020  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm - that takes it up a notch in my view. If you look around on eBay you'll see that quite a few of the 1870 5c have pretty crummy reverse sides including one that is currently listed for more than $2,000. I think the grade has to stand at F15 (or VF20 on a good day). And sure, that has implications for the Charlton-approved price. But I would be tempted by that one.
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