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1977 5 Cent, Strange Rim Anomalies.. PMD Or Something Else?

 
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 Posted 01/01/2021  01:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Happy new year CCF!

While hunting a couple of boxes of nickels I came across this 1977 5 cent coin with weird stuff happening on the rim in a couple of spots along with the surface.

My first thought was PMD but looking closer I started to question if this could possibly be some sort of strikethrough.

On the bottom, you can see that inside the crevis of this anomaly it looks frosted like what you would typically find on a strike through surface.

On top of the coin, something else is going on. It looks like the rim was cracked as the "cut" is completely uneven, unlike a cut you would see formed from any kind of cutting tool. It too has a frosted like surface.

Overall, to me, I don't see any signs of tool or file marks so I'm hoping to get some opinions.








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 Posted 01/01/2021  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/01/2021  07:24 am  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD the denticles have been pushed in at bottom of reverse
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 Posted 01/01/2021  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Inclined to agree.
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 Posted 01/01/2021  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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the denticles have been pushed in at bottom of reverse


The denticles on the bottom of the reverse look completely removed, there are no signs of them being pushed in, they just aren't there at all, and the portion that resembles "dovetailing" on the bottom really throws me off.

I usually have no issues determining PMD, or agreeing when I receive opinions but this one just seems like there is more than meets the eye. If you click on the photos they should enlarge and get a better view.

Another reason I am not fully convinced is I had found 4 other coins with legit planchet errors in the same roll this came out of and it just didn't seem to be coincidental.
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1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 01/01/2021  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the denticles should form a symmetrical circle. Yours does not. Must be post strike. May be tough extraction damage but a definite HIT.
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 Posted 01/02/2021  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The flaw at 12 o'clock looks legit, the one at 5:30 (reverse) does not, but ultimately, these things have to be examined in hand to be sure.
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 Posted 01/02/2021  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bond632 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you show us the 4 other coins with planchet errors, it might help to determine this one, if they are all similar.
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 Posted 01/03/2021  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only reason I'm not fully convinced it is just damage is the lack of misplaced metal and the surface inside this crevis, along with the planchet crack through the date that seems to connect to this.

Typical damage usually only goes one way but with this, it goes in different directions and has a rough surface like what you would find on a strike through. If it is damaged I'm curious to know what could possibly cut into the edge of a coin and leave a surface looking bubbly and frosted.

Maybe it's just me, but here are a couple of close ups with some better lighting. The longer I look at these the less they seem to make any sense even for damage.




Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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