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1858 1 Cent Proof In Nickel? The Palace Collections Of Egypt

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 Posted 01/11/2021  1:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silver Nickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I have been looking in The Palace Collections of Egypt auction archive lately and on page 241, lot 2363 there is a coin in the lot described as "1858 cent proof in nickel". Where is this coin today? Why does it exist? Does anyone have any info on this coin.

Here is the book
https://archive.org/details/egyptpa...2up?q=canada

turn to page 266 on the archive to get to page 241 on the book. Thanks
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 Posted 01/11/2021  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly the reference was to "copper nickel"?
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 Posted 01/11/2021  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I own it. It is fully described in my book "Past & Nearly Perfect."
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 Posted 01/11/2021  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Nickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
could we see a picture?
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 Posted 01/11/2021  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I try not to post pictures online that appear in my books. Sorry. You can probably look up their auction photo on the Heritage site. Also, it was on the cover of the Charlton catalogue last year.
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You can get Rob's book through RCNA. It's a great book and you will help out the club also!

There are lots more photos of beautiful coins and even the tools used to mint them. I especially liked the photos of the punches and dies.
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 Posted 01/11/2021  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver Nickel-
Google "2020 Charlton Standard Catalogue Volume 1"
There is a photo of the reverse on the cover.
Their is also a smaller photo on Rob Turners new book
"Past and Nearly Perfect'
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 Posted 01/12/2021  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar 1935 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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thanks
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 Posted 01/12/2021  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar 1935 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pattern PC-7 in question here is a cupro-nickel large cent.

The picture of this coin in the book of Bosox also show a stunning cameo we don't see well in those pictures. If you have those kind of questions about those large cent patterns, I can't reccommend you enought this book, the work of research in it is truly outstanding.
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Thanks, I might need to get it. Also I have another question, Also during The Palace Collections of Egypt they were selling 2 British Columbia Pattern coins. Does anyone know where those coins are?

https://archive.org/details/egyptpa...ish+Columbia

The first one is on lot 857, page 86 and is the $20 1862 Pattern
and the second one is on lot 2366, page 242 and is the $10 1862 Pattern
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On all the known exemple repertoried by Heritage, the Farouk Pedigree is never mentioned.

Since Pittman was at this sale and had a 10$ BC-1 (silver) and a 20$ (gold) I guess the pittman coins are the Farouk coins .

If this is the case, the 10$ was in the Belzberg collection (not sold) : https://www.PCGSeurope.com/cert/12081107?l=fr
and the 20$ was sold by David Akers in 1999 in the Pittman collection for 149,500$

With three of the five known exemple of the gold 20$ in institutional collection and with 1 of the 2 being the Belzberg/Norweb exemple, the Pittman one is probably this exemple :
https://www.PCGSeurope.com/cert/13912826?l=fr

someone with the original catalog of the Pittman sale of 1999 or the Norweb catalog of 1996 could confirm if there is mention of the previous pedigree of their gold 20$ to confirm.
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I found a copy of the Norweb catalog of 1996 which had 2 1862 $20 Patterns, one made of silver and one made of Gold. The one made of silver was lot 719 and the one made of gold was right after which was lot 720. The silver Pattern realized a price of $25,300 and the gold Pattern realized a price of $143,000.

I wonder how much their worth today.

I tried to find the catalog for the Pittman sale of 1999 but I was unable to do so.
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Hey Dollar, do happen to know if any of the patterns were graded by NGC. There has been 7 graded by PCGS. Whos collections do you think those are in?
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I had the pleasure of seeing the set, silver and gold, one night when Sid Belzberg owned it. I think that set is now in the Bank of Canada.

When I was working on the specimen book, I got to examine raw $10 and $20 gold examples in MS, donated by Governor Seymour to the British Museum in 1864. They have been there ever since.
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Wow, wish I could've seen them. Does the British Museum own a $10 and $20? I thought they only had the $20.

Also since there are 7 British Columbia Pattern coins in PCGS holders, does that mean all those are in private collections? Museums don't send coins in for grading.
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