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 Posted 01/16/2021  4:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Cannot believe this coin is already up to nearly $150 with all the problems it has! https://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-Sm-Da...AOSwntRf9jfK
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 Posted 01/16/2021  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rare die pairing?
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 Posted 01/16/2021  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no such thing for that year. Small date is slightly less common.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not really hairlines per se, more like multiple light scratches, though Frisco Mint is a good seller, it's Chris McCawley and his nephew and nephews' friend. I've bought a few coins from them and they do have nice stuff. No fakes either.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Low mintage of about 333,500 - and the last year of production? The coin does have damage and looks to have been cleaned at one time, plus verdigris seems to be coming back - Maybe the bidders didn't mouse over the pictures to get a zoom view......
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 Posted 01/16/2021  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at past sales, I guess that's an OK price for a straight coin, but that face looks pretty messed up..
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 Posted 01/16/2021  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not to mention the obverse graffiti in the west field. Looks like MA....maybe an X. Not sure what people see in examples like this.
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 Posted 01/17/2021  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not to mention the obverse graffiti in the west field. Looks like MA....maybe an X.

Highly unlikely Chris's team would miss something like that.
He's a top-end EAC dealer so a problem like you mentioned would be a gross mistake on his part.
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As for the price, I've noticed his items on eBay are often valued higher than I'd expect.

I buy from him at Baltimore Whitman shows and get very reasonably priced coins.
Of course there hasn't been a show for over a year.
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 01/17/2021  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a details coin to me, but at least his description was pretty accurate. Definitely a steep price for that coin.
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 Posted 01/17/2021  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've bought from Chris and agree that he is a reputable dealer and an expert in early copper. His listing does not claim that this coin is not a details coin. He shows good pictures for bidders to make their own decision. The price seems slightly high but OK for a clear graded coin but too high for a details coin which I think it is.

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 Posted 01/17/2021  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Highly unlikely Chris's team would miss something like that.
He's a top-end EAC dealer so a problem like you mentioned would be a gross mistake on his part.


I'm by no means putting this on the seller. They listed at auction, with clear pictures. They never claimed the coin wasn't a Details coin. ( Edit: although I did feel they minimized the issues a bit.) The buyers determined the price.

I AM putting it on the buyer though. This is 100% a details coin, and that certainly looks to be graffiti. To each their own, people can collect what makes them happy. . I'm simply saying that I don't see the appeal in spending that much money on an obvious problematic example

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 Posted 01/17/2021  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Old hairlines across the obverse..." I certainly wouldn't want that description on my resume if I had his reputation.
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