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1998 Canadian 1 CT Error

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 Posted 01/26/2021  12:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message






Found this roll searching. There was alot of pressure to break the planchet and stretch the coin. Or is this a vice job. Comments please!!
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 Posted 01/26/2021  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/26/2021  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse pics please?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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 Posted 01/26/2021  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply



Coin is a little banged up and concaved out on this side.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bond632 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most likely vice job by the looks of it.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
serious heat has been applied....what is incuse.....what is not......many questions
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 Posted 01/26/2021  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Red flags all over this one. Not a legit double strike, in my opinion.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatever it is, it is not a vice job, everything I am seeing is raised on the Obverse but weak pressure makes it look "incuse" in some spots.

Just look at photo 2 and 4, the backwards "E" from "ETH II" is completely raised, the second set of beads protruding from the rim, raised. The "G" in "D.G." is raised.

Typically I would assume a double strike, however the issue with that, is everything is not only raised but also reversed. So the hubbing process came to mind, however even with that and my understanding of how the hubbing process works, whatever this is dident happen during the hubbing either.

I highly doubt anyone would waste time trying to make an "Error" counterfeit on a common Canadian small cent like this either IMO.

Reverse side just looks like PMD, which is kind of a bummer but still a good find, whatever it is.
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1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 01/26/2021  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to correct everyone the second strike is inscurred. I have red flags to but question the pressure to split the planchet that a vise maybe cant do. Just want to make sure this coin is legit.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I highly doubt anyone would waste time trying to make an "Error" counterfeit on a common Canadian small cent like this either IMO.


Don't underestimate what folks will do... sometimes they even take a legit error, and then try to make it an even bigger error.

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 Posted 01/26/2021  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I highly doubt anyone would waste time trying to make an "Error" counterfeit on a common Canadian small cent like this either IMO.


I must strongly disagree. If I was going to experiment making fake error coins, common coins are exactly what I'd use.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just want to make sure this coin is legit.



It is not the first time a fake error in photos has turned out to be real, and vice versa. The best thing would be to examine this coin in hand. If you pay for the return shipping postage, I'll happily examine it for you and give you my opinion, as small cent errors are one of my specialties (Mike, and other error collectors here can also vouch for me).

Send me a PM if you want me to look at it. This is a service I offer for free to collectors and dealers alike - for the benefit of the hobby.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If I was going to experiment making fake error coins, common coins are exactly what I'd use.


Bobby131313,
I understand that completely, use whats easily available forsure, I just feel there is a lot more to this coin then foul play.


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Don't underestimate what folks will do... sometimes they even take a legit error, and then try to make it an even bigger error.


I can also agree to this, but you also know exactly how dies are made and if all the details on this coin are raised then that can only mean the person who made it, must have created some sort of incused obverse working die with the effigy flipped the wrong way in order to have the design show up on the coin backwards.

chadcoins,
Your coin would be in good hands if you sent it to SPP-Ottawa, ive sent and received coins from him recently without any issues so I can vouch for him an I'm sure others can also.
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Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 01/26/2021  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, send it to SPP.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fake to me although I don't have the actual coin in hand to properly examine. The letters ETH appear to be incused backwards (hard to tell what is struck up and what is incused), which would be the effect if another coin was pressed into your coin. Additionally, the coin appears to be out of round and larger in diameter. The rim in extended area is still raised, which was the result of the original strike and being pushed outward from being squeezed by the coin pressed into yours.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldmike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a legit error, Vice job, the backwards letters are not raised
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