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1884 CC VAM? Please Take A Look.

 
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 Posted 02/26/2021  4:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Johnsonr29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I am posting these photos here in the hopes that someone more knowledgeable can tell me if this is some kind of VAM.

Notice the markings protruding into the obverse from the mouth and nose area, as well as the markings coming from the hair by the band into the obverse as well. These marking appear to be laid underneath of the obverse image, as if the obverse image was struck over them.



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 Posted 02/26/2021  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We will need full shots of the Obverse and Reverse.
Here is the link for the VAM's of this date: http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...1884-CC_VAMs
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 Posted 02/26/2021  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Johnsonr29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah after looking at those links, to me it looks like reverse die clashing, almost like the wreath from the reverse got struck on the planchet before the obverse was printed over it. There is some slight doubling in both 8's in the date 1884 on the front. If you look at the neck line, you can see a small mark that looks like the very back of the arrow shaft on the reverse, the markings coming from the mouth and back of the hair area look like the reverse wreath. I will post more pictures, and do the best I can with my 30x loop and camera.
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 Posted 02/26/2021  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, those are all die clash marks, often helpful in attributing VAMs. Full photos of the obverse and reverse are definitely needed with clear imaging of the date and mintmark.
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02/26/2021 8:00 pm
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 Posted 02/27/2021  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to me like a VAM-4B, nice coin!

http://vamworld.com/wiki/1884-CC_VAM-4B
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 Posted 02/27/2021  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Johnsonr29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What about the negative space cracking in between the letters of L I B of the word Liberty on the head? I didn't see that on the pictures of VAM 4b. I've never seen negative space cracking on a coin before. Is that natural or damage? Aren't die cracks always filled, just a line stamped in the metal in the shape of the crack of the die right?
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 Posted 03/06/2021  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like VAM4B EDS to me.
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